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I don't think it's harsh enough. Renault wants to 'sell' a product to a consumer that he will never truly own. >And can drivers be incentivized to share their
by mjolk 13y ago
I don't think it's harsh enough. Renault wants to 'sell' a product to a consumer that he will never truly own.
>And can drivers be incentivized to share their driving data - maybe lower insurance or insurance per mile, a lower battery leasing fee, etc?
This reminds me of the fictional television set that used its built-in camera to take a photograph of its users' living rooms and lowered or raised the price of streaming movies based on how many people were in the room (as insurance that you're technically not broadcasting it to a group that they've determined as needing a paid license). Sure, it's intrusive and you're potentially paying more for a stream than ownership of the media, but maybe there's a bright side.
And really, do you want to buy a blu ray that's possibly, eventually going to have to be replaced by a more expensive format?
- seren 13y agoI don't know if it is really legit, but it seems there is a patent application from Microsoft, presumably using the Kinect, to count the number of people watching. http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220120278904%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20120278904&RS=DN/20120278904 http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=H...
- mjolk 13y agoIt wouldn't surprise me. Microsoft wanted to ship their new game console with audio/video sensors that constantly record. I wouldn't be shocked if they decide to ignore the consumer backlash and send back "some" data via an encrypted channel. edit: Thanks for the interesting link to that patent.
- Justsignedup 13y agoSomeone had to try it. That's how the world works, someone thinks it up, it's stupid, they make no money, people don't do it again. Honestly I am shocked it took so long.
- Trufa 13y agoMore or less like Adobe cloud?
- rplnt 13y ago> Renault wants to 'sell' a product to a consumer that he will never truly own. So exactly like when you purchase an ebook from Amazon, a game from Steam, or dozens other services where you think you own something but in reality you don't. I'm not saying it's good, but why do people get angry when it's more "real"? And at the same time are OK with it when it's something virtual?
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- mjolk 13y ago>So exactly like when you purchase an ebook from Amazon, a game from Steam, No, not like that. And definitely not "exactly like" that. Bridging the tangibility gap makes this into a different manner.
- ensignavenger 13y agoI think a lot of it has to do with expectations. Personally, I don't buy DRM'd ebooks from Amazon, unless I happen to get them at a tremendous discount and consider it a throwaway item. (I think I have purchased 1 DRM'd ebook for my Kindle in the 3 years I have had it). I also only purchase steam games in a similar way- when highly discounted- mostly through the Humble Bundle deals. This is because I know what to expect, and I make other choices.
- Dylan16807 13y agoAmazon, Steam, etc. are not in fact capable of taking away the data I bought, no matter what they do with their servers. Also I'm optimistic law will catch up and fix the first sale doctrine eventually, so that they won't even try to take away the data.
- pmh 13y ago> Amazon, Steam, etc. are not in fact capable of taking away the data I bought, no matter what they do with their servers. I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you elaborate? As of now, if e.g. your Steam account is suspended or the Steam servers shut down, you will no longer be able to play any of the games on that account (offline mode and DRM circumvention notwithstanding). You may have access to a subset of the data on your disk (the games you previously downloaded), but they're still wrapped in DRM. As an aside, Steam is also capable of removing games from your account, which they do e.g. in the case of a chargeback.
- edwintorok 13y agoHow does this DRM even work? What if the battery can't communicate with Renault, because you're in a country or region they don't have coverage (for example the mountains)?
- icebraining 13y agoYou can get a SIM card that works in 160 countries for $15. And I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who own an electric car but never drive it on an area with cellphone coverage is literally zero.
- falcolas 13y agoI had a car once that relied on the bank sending it a "payment was made" message to the car every two weeks. To say it was not reliable was an understatement. For a good two weeks after the original purchase, I could not rely on the car due to faults with their system working in an area with spotty cell coverage (which still exist even in the US). To the last day of my obligation to that lender, I would have problems with it, typically due to weather, problems with the module itself, or any number of other factors. I would hope that Renaults system is better than that... but I will be hard pressed to trust such a system ever again. Having your car shut down remotely due to faulty DRM really sucks.
- mikeash 13y agoThe whole point is that they do not want to sell it. They want to rent it. They are quite explicit that this is not a purchase arrangement.