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How about "Copy this book" instead of the fake, dishonest "stealing" claim...

by biehl 13y ago

p4bl0 13y ago
Obviously if the author invite you to copy their book they are aware that it is not stealing, so I think it's a reference to Abbie Hoffman's book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book).
Millennium 13y ago
Because the people who tell themselves piracy isn't theft are lying to themselves.
- e12e 13y ago
  Theft \Theft\ (th[e^]ft), n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See {Thief}.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny. [1913 Webster] Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See {Larceny}, and the Note under {Robbery}. [1913 Webster]
  - throwawaykf 13y ago
    > the act or crime of stealing; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal steal [steel] stole, sto·len, steal·ing, noun verb (used with object) 1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch. 2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment. ... Some jurisdictions have a much broader definition of theft too, e.g.: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9a.56.020 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9a.56.020 1) "Theft" means: (a) To wrongfully obtain or exert unauthorized control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or (b) By color or aid of deception to obtain control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or (c) To appropriate lost or misdelivered property or services of another, or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services. (Emphasis added) The point that is missed when engaging in these word games, of course, is that in common parlance, "theft" is used to mean any act that deprive others of something. In this case, it is the rightful payment for the value provided by the intellectual property that has been appropriated.
    - e12e 13y ago
      > The point that is missed when engaging in these word games, of course, is that in common parlance, "theft" is used to mean any act that deprive others of something. Indeed, all your a,b,c) examples include "with intent to deprive [the owner] of such property or services". And it is a necessary condition for it to be considered theft. If not it is not theft. It might be fraud, but that is different from theft! In particular the sentencing for larceny and theft have traditionally been harsher afaik almost everywhere. Most times, if you simply refuse to pay for something, you can settle up by paying for it (assuming no one else has been deprived of the same thing as a direct result of you not paying) -- and that will be the end of it. Possibly with a fine in extreme cases. > In this case, it is the rightful payment for the value provided by the intellectual property that has been appropriated. The what now? ;-)
      - throwawaykf 13y ago
        I'm not sure I get your point...are you saying there was no intent? Here's what I'm trying to say: If you buy a copy, everyone involved in making it gets paid. If you pirate it, they don't get paid. In other words, they were deprived of that payment. I'm sure the legal specifics are quite different, but in common parlance, taking something without permission is theft, even if it's not tangible property (e.g. "he stole my idea".)
        biehl 13y ago
        Sorry, but you are mistaken. I have a wonderful piece of software on my disk that your are not buying. Are you "depriving" me of that payment? Even more - schoolchildren are regularly copying massive amounts of files - are you (obviously dishonestly) claiming that they have the funds at their disposal to pay for the "in shop" prices of those files?
        throwawaykf 13y ago
        > I have a wonderful piece of software on my disk that your are not buying. Are you "depriving" me of that payment? I don't understand - have I appropriated that software by any means? Then why would you be owed some payment? > are you (obviously dishonestly) claiming that they have the funds at their disposal to pay for the "in shop" prices of those files? No, I'm claiming that they should not be copying those files. Are you implying that none of those children can get funds for paying for those copies?
- digler999 13y ago
  the people who claim ("copying" == "stealing") had their strcmp() function modified by malicious code from the publishing cartels.

How about "Copy this book" instead of the fake, dishonest "stealing" claim...

by biehl 13y ago

How about "Copy this book" instead of the fake, dishonest "stealing" claim...

p4bl0 13y ago

Obviously if the author invite you to copy their book they are aware that it is not stealing, so I think it's a reference to Abbie Hoffman's book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steal_This_Book).

Millennium 13y ago

Because the people who tell themselves piracy isn't theft are lying to themselves.

e12e 13y ago
Theft \Theft\ (th[e^]ft), n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See {Thief}.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny. [1913 Webster] Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See {Larceny}, and the Note under {Robbery}. [1913 Webster]
- throwawaykf 13y ago
  > the act or crime of stealing; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/steal steal [steel] stole, sto·len, steal·ing, noun verb (used with object) 1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch. 2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment. ... Some jurisdictions have a much broader definition of theft too, e.g.: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9a.56.020 http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9a.56.020 1) "Theft" means: (a) To wrongfully obtain or exert unauthorized control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or (b) By color or aid of deception to obtain control over the property or services of another or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services; or (c) To appropriate lost or misdelivered property or services of another, or the value thereof, with intent to deprive him or her of such property or services. (Emphasis added) The point that is missed when engaging in these word games, of course, is that in common parlance, "theft" is used to mean any act that deprive others of something. In this case, it is the rightful payment for the value provided by the intellectual property that has been appropriated.
  - e12e 13y ago
    > The point that is missed when engaging in these word games, of course, is that in common parlance, "theft" is used to mean any act that deprive others of something. Indeed, all your a,b,c) examples include "with intent to deprive [the owner] of such property or services". And it is a necessary condition for it to be considered theft. If not it is not theft. It might be fraud, but that is different from theft! In particular the sentencing for larceny and theft have traditionally been harsher afaik almost everywhere. Most times, if you simply refuse to pay for something, you can settle up by paying for it (assuming no one else has been deprived of the same thing as a direct result of you not paying) -- and that will be the end of it. Possibly with a fine in extreme cases. > In this case, it is the rightful payment for the value provided by the intellectual property that has been appropriated. The what now? ;-)
    - throwawaykf 13y ago
      I'm not sure I get your point...are you saying there was no intent? Here's what I'm trying to say: If you buy a copy, everyone involved in making it gets paid. If you pirate it, they don't get paid. In other words, they were deprived of that payment. I'm sure the legal specifics are quite different, but in common parlance, taking something without permission is theft, even if it's not tangible property (e.g. "he stole my idea".)
      - biehl 13y ago
        Sorry, but you are mistaken. I have a wonderful piece of software on my disk that your are not buying. Are you "depriving" me of that payment? Even more - schoolchildren are regularly copying massive amounts of files - are you (obviously dishonestly) claiming that they have the funds at their disposal to pay for the "in shop" prices of those files?
        throwawaykf 13y ago
        > I have a wonderful piece of software on my disk that your are not buying. Are you "depriving" me of that payment? I don't understand - have I appropriated that software by any means? Then why would you be owed some payment? > are you (obviously dishonestly) claiming that they have the funds at their disposal to pay for the "in shop" prices of those files? No, I'm claiming that they should not be copying those files. Are you implying that none of those children can get funds for paying for those copies?
digler999 13y ago
the people who claim ("copying" == "stealing") had their strcmp() function modified by malicious code from the publishing cartels.