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> But you can't have the internet without equipment, without servers built by guess who? Corporations. Take that away: no internet. Now you're the one strawman

> But you can't have the internet without equipment, without servers built by guess who? Corporations. Take that away: no internet. Now you're the one strawmanning by painting it as corporations existing or not existing. It's not a binary issue. A corporation is just an organization of people with a specific legal status. There will always be organizations of people. However, I don't think we need to confer the rights of personhood to a corporation even though they don't have the same responsibilities or vulnerabilities. Similarly, it doesn't need to be the case that corporations should be able to extract value from the commons at the expense of the poor so that the privileged upper-middle class can have the cheapest possible gadgets. It is definitely possible to draw a better line between individual freedom and the wholesale rape of the environment. For starters, those things aren't represented in GDP, and so it's of no real concern to those in power. What gets measured gets improved.

raverbashing 13y ago
"However, I don't think we need to confer the rights of personhood to a corporation even though they don't have the same responsibilities or vulnerabilities. Similarly, it doesn't need to be the case that corporations should be able to extract value from the commons at the expense of the poor so that the privileged upper-middle class can have the cheapest possible gadgets." Good, I agree with that. But the issue with cheap gadgets goes both ways. Chinese factories allow people in India and other 3rd world countries to have a cheap (read: affordable) mobile phone. Yes, they could pay more and give better conditions, the profit gains coming from economies of scale would still be there.
- autonomy77 13y ago
  >>But you can't have the internet without equipment, without servers built by guess who? Corporations. Take that away: no internet.<< Partially correct - we need equipment, but mesh networking is becoming a reality. No corporate involvement beyond the hardware. have a look: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/greek-off-the-grid-internet-mesh/ http://www.dailydot.com/politics/greek-off-the-grid-internet...
- enriquepablo 13y ago
  > But the issue with cheap gadgets goes both ways. Chinese factories allow people in India and other 3rd world countries to have a cheap (read: affordable) mobile phone. And why people in 3rd world countries cannot afford expensive mobile phones? Because corporations have robbed them the value of their labour, or the environment where they live... You just seem to be confortable with the status quo, and making excuses.

raverbashing 13y ago

"However, I don't think we need to confer the rights of personhood to a corporation even though they don't have the same responsibilities or vulnerabilities. Similarly, it doesn't need to be the case that corporations should be able to extract value from the commons at the expense of the poor so that the privileged upper-middle class can have the cheapest possible gadgets." Good, I agree with that. But the issue with cheap gadgets goes both ways. Chinese factories allow people in India and other 3rd world countries to have a cheap (read: affordable) mobile phone. Yes, they could pay more and give better conditions, the profit gains coming from economies of scale would still be there.

autonomy77 13y ago
>>But you can't have the internet without equipment, without servers built by guess who? Corporations. Take that away: no internet.<< Partially correct - we need equipment, but mesh networking is becoming a reality. No corporate involvement beyond the hardware. have a look: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/greek-off-the-grid-internet-mesh/ http://www.dailydot.com/politics/greek-off-the-grid-internet...
enriquepablo 13y ago
> But the issue with cheap gadgets goes both ways. Chinese factories allow people in India and other 3rd world countries to have a cheap (read: affordable) mobile phone. And why people in 3rd world countries cannot afford expensive mobile phones? Because corporations have robbed them the value of their labour, or the environment where they live... You just seem to be confortable with the status quo, and making excuses.