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Why do people assume the Chinese government is not able to use similar techniques?
by babar 13y ago
Why do people assume the Chinese government is not able to use similar techniques?
- wmf 13y agoI would assume they use similar techniques within China and perhaps allied countries like North Korea and Cuba, but the US is performing wiretapping in at least the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Also, how much non-Chinese Internet traffic passes through China?
- maaku 13y ago> and perhaps allied countries like North Korea and Cuba Nobody is more distrusting of each other than two communist countries.
- kika 13y agoWell, when you eat off the hand of the other country you don't have much choice. Nobody actually asks you if you trust or not.
- nzp 13y agoDisregarding for a moment that a state can not be communist (one defining characteristic of communism being absence of state), only socialist, North Korea has long disassociated itself from communism. Since the 90s at least there has been a systematic removal of any mention of Marxism, communism and related terminology from the constitution, laws and official discourse.
- boyaka 13y agohttp://hidemyass.com/proxy-list/ http://hidemyass.com/proxy-list/ I'm sure lots of botnets use China servers as well.
- pavs 13y agoMore importantly, whats the difference between Chinese and American government when it comes to privacy?
- coldtea 13y agoThat the US intervenes domestically and in Europe, L. America, Middle East, etc, whereas China is mostly concerned with itself.
- tedunangst 13y agoThe terrible things the Chinese government does aren't being done to you.
- kyllo 13y agoThose things aren't being done to most Chinese people, either. And they are being done to some Americans now, and increasingly so.
- Qantourisc 13y agoThe Chinese are honest about it !
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- tantalor 13y agoThe Chinese were targeting specific journalists and critics. Presumably to harass them. I'm not saying the US doesn't do that, but the evidence is not as clear.
- samstave 13y agoMaybe you didn't notice the detainment of Greenwald's partner by the GCHQ whereby they demanded him to turn-over/destroy whatever he had. Further, the break-in to Greenwald's residence and theft of his machine. As well as the visit to the Guardian and destrution of machines.... The evidence is crystal.
- vidarh 13y agoAs much as the UK government would probably love being confused for the US government, at least the visit to the Guardian and detainment of Miranda were both done by the UK. And given how the UK government loves nothing more than to be the lapdog of the US, I have no doubts it was done entirely voluntarily. Eagerly even, as an opportunity to show off just how extra exceedingly loyal minions they are. Frankly, I have little doubt that the UK government participates so eagerly that just occasionally some of their US counterparts must be a little bit embarrassed on their behalf over seeing their total lack of self respect in trying to impress.
- alandarev 13y agoExactly my thought. Making me embarrassed to a singel fact that I live in UK, as that happened.
- XorNot 13y agoExcept you know, in that case the person actually did have classified documents of an allied nation on a thumbdrive on them. Which you know - is still illegal to have. Though it's funny how the Guardian thoroughly underreported that fact.
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- grey-area 13y agoChina doesn't have agreements with BT, AT&T etc which allow it to tap fibre in our countries at will. I'm sure they try some tapping, but they can't do it on the scale that GCHQ and the NSA have been outside China.
- Spooky23 13y agoHow do you know that?
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- ojbyrne 13y agoBut they could easily have agreements with every chip fab to build back doors into every piece of networking equipment.
- babesh 13y agoSo can the US.
- ekianjo 13y agoThat's very unlikely nobody would have noticed them by now, if it were the case.
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- bhrgunatha 13y agoDo you mean - as unlikely as not spotting the weakening of encryption standards - for example by another branch of the same government (NIST/NSA)?
- astrange 13y agoThose were spotted.
- logicallee 13y agoBecause they have hundreds of their employees doing shifts of skript kiddie hacking over the open Internet. That is why "people assume the Chinese government is not able to use similar techniques."
- atmosx 13y agoWhy on Earth are you comparing a suppressive regime to the a western democracy? Of course the Chinese gov is able to do so without any repercussions. The difference should be that in a democracy you can't abuse your power without repercussions.
- zurn 13y agoMaybe it "should" but democracy and domestic popular opinion doesn't traditionally have a significant impact on US foreign policy. Except for big wars.
- eyeareque 13y ago<i>"The difference should be that in a democracy you can't abuse your power without repercussions."</i> Do you see the irony? Western governments are abusing their powers.. and they are getting away with it. Democracy means nothing if the government doesn't hold itself accountable.
- dragonwriter 13y agoNo, democracy means nothing if the people don't hold the government accountable. Relying on the government to hold itself accountable makes democracy no different from monarchy.
- eyeareque 13y agoRight, but as long as cable tv works and fast food restaurants are open the mass majority of people won't do anything about it.