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> Women have a lot more invested in sex and children than men do. Why would you say that? Again, it appears to be biased against men.

by javert 13y ago

EGreg 13y ago
Pregnancy and the discomfort Childbirth and the pain Nursing, lack of sleep for years Rearing Out of the above four, three are done exclusively by women, and demand a lot of effort and some risks. It can be incredibly rewarding to have a child... but also very costly. The man can just leave. The pregnant woman can't. Biased against men? Please.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  >Nursing, lack of sleep for years What? Nursing doesn't last that long, and 'lack of sleep' is part of rearing and not forced on the woman. >The man can just leave. The pregnant woman can't. She can give the child up for adoption just as easily as the man can leave the relationship. And rearing is the vast majority of the effort. Yes women have to do more, but the difference is not nearly as much as you're arguing.
  - mercer 13y ago
    Do you really think it's just as easy for a woman to give her child up for adoption as it is for a man to leave the relationship? I mean: really?
    - Dylan16807 13y ago
      It's not as easy, but if you never wanted to have that baby you can give it up the day it's born, before any real bonding happens. Is it your argument that women having a stronger attachment to a newborn is a bias against them? Because I was only trying to argue that there was less bias than EGreg said. If she decides she wants the baby then it doesn't seem like a negative to me. Edit: Oh, I'm a dumbass. I didn't make it clear that the 'giving up the child' was only in response to the pregnancy scenario. That's because once both parents are raising the kid, after a breakup both or either of them would continue raising it.
- javert 13y ago
  The person who "has more invested" in something, is the person who values it more. "Having more invested" is a particular idiom in English. What you are talking about is "sunk cost." So, in a given relationship, the man or the woman could value the children more. In a given relationship, the man or the woman could value sex more. It's not true that all men care less about (i.e., value less) their children, which is what you said, though I don't believe you meant it. That's why I said your statement was biased against men. I don't see how the generalization "women are more invested in sex" in either your interpretation of that phrase, or mine, would be correct.

> Women have a lot more invested in sex and children than men do. Why would you say that? Again, it appears to be biased against men.

by javert 13y ago

> Women have a lot more invested in sex and children than men do. Why would you say that? Again, it appears to be biased against men.

EGreg 13y ago

Pregnancy and the discomfort Childbirth and the pain Nursing, lack of sleep for years Rearing Out of the above four, three are done exclusively by women, and demand a lot of effort and some risks. It can be incredibly rewarding to have a child... but also very costly. The man can just leave. The pregnant woman can't. Biased against men? Please.

Dylan16807 13y ago
>Nursing, lack of sleep for years What? Nursing doesn't last that long, and 'lack of sleep' is part of rearing and not forced on the woman. >The man can just leave. The pregnant woman can't. She can give the child up for adoption just as easily as the man can leave the relationship. And rearing is the vast majority of the effort. Yes women have to do more, but the difference is not nearly as much as you're arguing.
- mercer 13y ago
  Do you really think it's just as easy for a woman to give her child up for adoption as it is for a man to leave the relationship? I mean: really?
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    It's not as easy, but if you never wanted to have that baby you can give it up the day it's born, before any real bonding happens. Is it your argument that women having a stronger attachment to a newborn is a bias against them? Because I was only trying to argue that there was less bias than EGreg said. If she decides she wants the baby then it doesn't seem like a negative to me. Edit: Oh, I'm a dumbass. I didn't make it clear that the 'giving up the child' was only in response to the pregnancy scenario. That's because once both parents are raising the kid, after a breakup both or either of them would continue raising it.
javert 13y ago
The person who "has more invested" in something, is the person who values it more. "Having more invested" is a particular idiom in English. What you are talking about is "sunk cost." So, in a given relationship, the man or the woman could value the children more. In a given relationship, the man or the woman could value sex more. It's not true that all men care less about (i.e., value less) their children, which is what you said, though I don't believe you meant it. That's why I said your statement was biased against men. I don't see how the generalization "women are more invested in sex" in either your interpretation of that phrase, or mine, would be correct.