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HTML 5: Could it kill Flash and Silverlight?
- rythie 17y agoI hope so
- poppysan 17y agoI for one, see no problem with a properly done flash project (not bad amateur work). We can argue open-ness, but realistically it amazes me that everyone is wishing for something that already exists! (prepared to be down-voted for liking flash)
- enomar 17y agoI wish. Flash will continue working on IE 6 and other older browsers though. Until all the browsers you want to support have HTML 5 implemented (correctly), you're going to have to either use Flash or some hybrid/piecemeal solution.
- lhorie 17y agoNot only that, creating animations in Flash tend to be a lot faster than anything else. Very often at my job we opt to use Flash for things that could technically be done with straight HTML/CSS/JS, simply because the former would take orders of magnitude less time to create (and that time can be invested into polishing, etc).
- mindhacker 17y agoNot to mention the size. A HTML + CSS + JS (jQuery) implementation of a simple component such as a menu would end up being ~50KB. In flash it turns out to be less than 1KB.
- slig 17y agoMost of it can be cacheable, so it's not a problem.
- bvttf 17y agoMan, fuck silverlight, Microsoft should kill flash by pushing HTML5. It's not like they need to gain much marketshare, just not-lose it.
- Zak 17y agoMicrosoft wants everything to be on .NET. HTML5 doesn't further that goal any more than Flash does.
- bbsabelli 17y agoSilverlight allows .Net developers to target a Rich web interface from Visual Studio. If you program in windows, you'll naturally choose Silverlight. If you want to develop using open standards, you'll choose html 5. Flash will be gone.
- zokier 17y agoDoes HTML5 have authoring tools comparable to Flash? There is your answer
- TweedHeads 17y agoYes, it is called a text editor. html, css, js, canvas, svg, xml, etc. all can be authored easily with a basic text editor.
- redcap 17y agoI'm sure that html,etc can be _written_ with a basic text editor, but I'm not convinced that's the easiest way to get things done.
- diN0bot 17y agoreally. why?
- kqr2 17y agoFlexbuilder (now Flashbuilder) is nice because you can easily switch between the source code and design/layout view. It also takes care of all the build dependencies. For pure programmers this isn't a big deal but for someone who is more design oriented, it's a lot easier.
- tjmc 17y agoI think Flex trades off user experience to make developers' lives easier though. That's never the right choice IMHO. Every Flex app I've seen, no matter how simple, starts with a "Loading" popup. Flex apps also notoriously overreach by reimplementing everything in Flash rather than use HTML where appropriate. It's great to have good tools, but they should never produce an inferior product.
- poppysan 17y ago
- TweedHeads 17y agoCanvas will make a dent SVG will finish it
- taitems 17y agoRadio, the death of newspapers? Television, the death of radio? Internet TV, the death of television? Silverlight, the death of flash? HTML 5, the death of flash AND silverlight? This reads like a TechCrunch headline.
- Scriptor 17y agoTo be fair HTML5 and Flash/Silverlight aren't really comparable to the different media formats. They're just different ways of doing the exact same thing. It'd be more like analog vs. digital.
- jbarciauskas 17y agoSounds more like a VHS/Betamax debate... an open standard against a closed, but more technically sophisticated, standard
- derefr 17y agoHave there ever been any media that have died?
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- dimarco 17y agoSilverlight might not make it. Flash will be fine. The Flex + AIR combination is pretty solid, and I'm looking forward what we[my company] can do with AIR once we get our application rewritten in Flex.
- abstractbill 17y agoNot unless it gives me access to the user's webcam (but I'd love to see it happen).
- kqr2 17y agoFor a transition strategy, I think the browser makers should make an HTML5 plugin that's as easy to install as the flash player. Therefore web application developers can have more confidence in developing with HTML5 since it will work on legacy browsers.
- mcav 17y agoMaybe a really annoying "upgrade your browser" message that doesn't ever go away?
- ROFISH 17y agoSafari 3.1 already supported most things (4 is still missing WebSockets). Firefox 3.5 (out soon) is a massive update to add missing HTML5 features and their updates are automatic and very transparent. You can start doing HTML5 today and be assured that a nontrivial portion of your audience will support it out-of-box when 3.5 rolls around.
- buugs 17y agoYou kind of missed the point... html 5 isn't going to hit it big if it only has that portion they need to be easily accessible to the entire audience.
- ZeroGravitas 17y agoThat's what Google Gears is. There's also been various talks about replacing the Javascript engine in IE (ScreamingMonkey project), ActiveX video/audio players using Ogg codecs, Google's got a project to implement Canvas in IE and an unreleased one implemeting SVG using IE's VML support etc. A surprising number of things can be achieved with Javascript shims.
- radley 17y agocough : http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=661026 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=661026
- Oompa 17y agoMaybe if we ever end up using it.
- LostInTheWoods 17y agoThe answer is Yes. The real question is 'when?'. My guess is it will take some time before Flash and its competitors finally join the dinosaurs. It will be slowed down by html5 adoption and by the need for tools/libraries that take canvas to the level of what flash can do today.
- joezydeco 17y agoThis line really bugged me: "Google may also face some touchy decisions. For example, its YouTube subsidiary uses Flash for its video, but the inclusion of HTML 5 capabilities in browsers might cause YouTube to rethink that decision, notes Fette. "It's a cost/benefit analysis that they'd need to make." I know Yahoo! doesn't like to drink the Google koolaid, but they should have at least paid attention to the fact that Google has been converting the video on YouTube from FLV to H.264 for some time now. They launched it alongside iPhone (no flash player there, remember?) If HTML5 got enough momentum, you'd see the FLV content on YouTube disappear overnight.
- cookiecaper 17y agoNo, IE will not support it for many more years, making any real-world deployment impractical.
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