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Good to know that the company that holds my email, appointments, two-factor-auth, credit card number, and search data has the reliability of a flaky college fre

by mapgrep 13y ago

Good to know that the company that holds my email, appointments, two-factor-auth, credit card number, and search data has the reliability of a flaky college freshman. Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations (when they're not insisting that no corporation would ever be so stupid as to break a highly visible promise because the outcry would be tremendous).

jol 13y ago
Agree about freshman, just wanted to add, that this freshman has managed to do other not so nice things recently, thus increasing cumulative damage to the reputation well beyond sum of each part. I assume that at some point powerusers will start to migrate to different services, when/if competitive enough offer comes
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Aldo_MX 13y ago
> Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia, Jeremy. Welcome to the real world!
- xiaohanzhang14 13y ago
  It didn't take very long to reinforce Godwin's Law on this thread...
- djt 13y ago
  Here's the reference for those that haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA
- eCa 13y ago
  I would hope that Google considers itself, at least a little bit, more moral than one of the top ten most evil persons of history.
jeffclark 13y ago
> Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations At some point, people realize that corporations exist to maximize profit and not necessarily for the good of the customer.
- enraged_camel 13y ago
  Then why are they making promises for the good of the customer? There are plenty of corporations who don't make such promises.
  - velik_m 13y ago
    To maximize the profits?
- pbhjpbhj 13y ago
  >that corporations exist to maximize // Some, probably most, not all.
  - derscheister 13y ago
    Exactly which company doesn't exist to maximize profit?
    - jggonz 13y ago
      Silence fills the room...
    - jerf 13y ago
      "Maximize profit" is not a well-defined single thing. For instance, the suggestion that companies maximize profits without regard for their customers must explain why the customers actually stay with that company; in general that may be a short-term win but a huge long-term loss, and many companies have died that way. If nothing else you've got to consider long-term profit vs. short-term profit, and there are in fact many other "something elses" to consider (what level of risks to take, etc).
jeanlo 13y ago
Let's not start revving that hyperbole engine, it's an experiment. Also the web looks very different now from what it was in 2005, obviously much more visual. All search engines did back then was spew blue links, now they speak the answer back at you. It wasn't very forward looking statement, but that is a silly article obviously looking to capitalise on the "Google outrage porn"™.
d23 13y ago
As it turns out, corporations are made up of people and, like people, have the tendency to change.
- lightbritefight 13y ago
  No reason to abstract it. Corporations are people, obviously. We are just seeing Google get over that idealist phase so many of us have in our youth. This is just Google, all grown up.
moogleii 13y ago
A promise made by Marissa Mayer, who, as most of us know, works elsewhere now. Sure, the promise was arguably on behalf of the company, but "under her watch" is also arguably implied.
brymaster 13y ago
Reading this is a breath of fresh air from the traditional "defend Google or other corporations at all costs" type comments. Maybe now we can drop the meme that Google is some altruistic entity and realize that ~97% of their revenue is from advertising. This is why they exist. It's now just a matter of time before paid inclusion results show up in the organic SERPs like Yahoo used to have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_inclusion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_inclusion Edit: Whoops they already broke that promise too! http://marketingland.com/once-deemed-evil-google-now-embraces-paid-inclusion-13138 http://marketingland.com/once-deemed-evil-google-now-embrace... The best part is in Google's original IPO filing they promised not to ever accept money for inclusion of results: > "Google users trust our systems to help them with important decisions: medical, financial and many others. Our search results are the best we know how to produce. They are unbiased and objective, and we do not accept payment for them or for inclusion or more frequent updating." > "We do not accept money for search result ranking or inclusion. We do accept fees for advertising, but it does not influence how we generate our search results. The advertising is clearly marked and separated. This is similar to a newspaper, where the articles are independent of the advertising." > "Some of our competitors charge web sites for inclusion in their indices or for more frequent updating of pages. Inclusion and frequent updating in our index are open to all sites free of charge." > "We apply these principles to each of our products and services. We believe it is important for users to have access to the best available information and research, not just the information that someone pays for them to see." http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312504142742/ds1a.htm#toc59330_1 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/0001193125041... Times sure have changed!

by mapgrep 13y ago

jol 13y ago

Agree about freshman, just wanted to add, that this freshman has managed to do other not so nice things recently, thus increasing cumulative damage to the reputation well beyond sum of each part. I assume that at some point powerusers will start to migrate to different services, when/if competitive enough offer comes

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Aldo_MX 13y ago

> Hitler promised not to invade Czechoslovakia, Jeremy. Welcome to the real world!

xiaohanzhang14 13y ago
It didn't take very long to reinforce Godwin's Law on this thread...
djt 13y ago
Here's the reference for those that haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOeiEKemWeA
eCa 13y ago
I would hope that Google considers itself, at least a little bit, more moral than one of the top ten most evil persons of history.

jeffclark 13y ago

> Also good to know that there will literally ALWAYS be people willing to minimize the broken promises of corporations At some point, people realize that corporations exist to maximize profit and not necessarily for the good of the customer.

enraged_camel 13y ago
Then why are they making promises for the good of the customer? There are plenty of corporations who don't make such promises.
- velik_m 13y ago
  To maximize the profits?
pbhjpbhj 13y ago
>that corporations exist to maximize // Some, probably most, not all.
- derscheister 13y ago
  Exactly which company doesn't exist to maximize profit?
  - jggonz 13y ago
    Silence fills the room...
  - jerf 13y ago
    "Maximize profit" is not a well-defined single thing. For instance, the suggestion that companies maximize profits without regard for their customers must explain why the customers actually stay with that company; in general that may be a short-term win but a huge long-term loss, and many companies have died that way. If nothing else you've got to consider long-term profit vs. short-term profit, and there are in fact many other "something elses" to consider (what level of risks to take, etc).

jeanlo 13y ago

Let's not start revving that hyperbole engine, it's an experiment. Also the web looks very different now from what it was in 2005, obviously much more visual. All search engines did back then was spew blue links, now they speak the answer back at you. It wasn't very forward looking statement, but that is a silly article obviously looking to capitalise on the "Google outrage porn"™.

d23 13y ago

As it turns out, corporations are made up of people and, like people, have the tendency to change.

lightbritefight 13y ago
No reason to abstract it. Corporations are people, obviously. We are just seeing Google get over that idealist phase so many of us have in our youth. This is just Google, all grown up.

moogleii 13y ago

A promise made by Marissa Mayer, who, as most of us know, works elsewhere now. Sure, the promise was arguably on behalf of the company, but "under her watch" is also arguably implied.

brymaster 13y ago

Reading this is a breath of fresh air from the traditional "defend Google or other corporations at all costs" type comments. Maybe now we can drop the meme that Google is some altruistic entity and realize that ~97% of their revenue is from advertising. This is why they exist. It's now just a matter of time before paid inclusion results show up in the organic SERPs like Yahoo used to have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_inclusion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paid_inclusion Edit: Whoops they already broke that promise too! http://marketingland.com/once-deemed-evil-google-now-embraces-paid-inclusion-13138 http://marketingland.com/once-deemed-evil-google-now-embrace... The best part is in Google's original IPO filing they promised not to ever accept money for inclusion of results: > "Google users trust our systems to help them with important decisions: medical, financial and many others. Our search results are the best we know how to produce. They are unbiased and objective, and we do not accept payment for them or for inclusion or more frequent updating." > "We do not accept money for search result ranking or inclusion. We do accept fees for advertising, but it does not influence how we generate our search results. The advertising is clearly marked and separated. This is similar to a newspaper, where the articles are independent of the advertising." > "Some of our competitors charge web sites for inclusion in their indices or for more frequent updating of pages. Inclusion and frequent updating in our index are open to all sites free of charge." > "We apply these principles to each of our products and services. We believe it is important for users to have access to the best available information and research, not just the information that someone pays for them to see." http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/000119312504142742/ds1a.htm#toc59330_1 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1288776/0001193125041... Times sure have changed!