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Sometimes, we can be proud to be french ;-) For interoperability purpose, "reverse engineering is a legal practice, and that the distribution of software using
by username42 13y ago
Sometimes, we can be proud to be french ;-)
For interoperability purpose, "reverse engineering is a legal practice, and that the distribution of software using a protocol found in this way is not illegal"
- marincounty 13y agoI have no problems with your country. Any country that ties traffic infractions to income is fine with me. I heard most of your schooling is free to? The French have a lot we(USA) should look into.
- pingou 13y agoThere's no such thing in France, maybe you're mistaken with some Nordic countries? Edit : I was talking about the traffic fines. Source : I'm French, which may explain my broken English.
- moystard 13y agoSchool is free until high school in France, and university can be considered as free as well, because it is extremely cheap compared to the USA/Canada/UK for example, and because there is plenty of help to students with low resources.
- jlgreco 13y ago> School is free until high school in France Friendly fyi: "until" is generally exclusive in English. An similar word that is inclusive is "through". So "I'm on vacation until Monday" implies they will be in the office on Monday, but "I'm on vacation through Monday" implies they will be back Tuesday. I understood what you meant, but for a moment I thought you were saying that you had to pay for highschool in France.
- vvvVVVvvv 13y agoFrance, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Poland, (etc ...) what's the difference when you're not from the EU ? =)
- byroot 13y ago> maybe you're mistaken with some Nordic countries? I think it's switzerland [0] [0] http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/1118676-bientot-des-amendes-selon-le-revenu.html http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/1118676-bientot-des-amendes-se...
- bpizzi 13y agoFrench school isn't free, you're just basically paying it afterwards, threw many taxes including personnal income based taxes.
- jefm 13y agoI'm french and paying taxes so that all children - including those from underprivileged environments - have, at least in theory, access to a free education is one thing I'm quite proud of.
- bpizzi 13y agoWho said you should have not to be proud? Proudness apart, your school is still not "free, as in beer".
- jefm 13y agoYou didn't say that, as actually I'm not proud of anything related to nationality (it was a reference to the first post in the thread). What I meant is that in the particular case of the education system, the contribution system you mentioned allows socially deprived people to actually access the education system for free, as in beer.
- bpizzi 13y agoSo actually we're complementing each other: access to school is free for every one, but school isn't free for the citizen. My point was to say that "free school" should not be mentioned, instead we should speak of "school paid by taxed citizens for everyone" which is more accurate. Well, you've already understood: I'm french too ;)
- jefm 13y agoAgreed :)
- bsaul 13y agoYeap, they're basically free and it shows. Most universities have buildings that make you feel like living in a post-apocalyptic world.
- mercurial 13y agoMakes me wonder how much reverse engineering the DGSE has done...
- nraynaud 13y agoIt's a bit more complicated, you can reverse-engineer if the company is not willing to give the protocol, for interoperability purpose only and you are not allowed to publish the raw information you obtained during the reverse, but only a new interoperable product. Journalistic treatment has probably distorted the facts so someone should probably go read the actual decision.
- panzi 13y agoWhat do you mean by "raw information"? Can you publish a detailed protocol specification?
- nraynaud 13y agoHere is a rough translation, I'm sorry to tell that I have a hard time parsing the original in the context of OSS too. IV. The reproduction of the code of the software or the translation of the shape of the code is not subject to the author's authorization when the reproduction or translation in the sense of 1° and 2° of article L. 122-6 is essential to get the information necessary to the interoperability of an independently created software with other softwares provided the following conditions are met: 1) those actions are fulfilled by the person with the right to use one copy of the software or on his behalf by someone empowered to this end; 2) the informations needed for interoperability have not been easily and quickly available to the people mentioned at 1° above; 3) and those actions are limited to the part of the original software needed to this interoperabilty The information obtained this way [disassembly] shall not be: 1) Neither used for any other purpose than interoperability of the independently created software 2) Neither communicated to thirds parties unless that is necessary for the interoperability of the independently created software 3) Neither used for development, production or sale of a software whose expression is substantially similar or for any other act infringing the author's copyright
- naterator 13y agoFurther along the lines of what panzi is asking, could you publish OSS that contains code that would make obvious how to interact with the protocol?
- macmac 13y agoThere are many reasons to be proud to be French, but since the French law is just an implementation of an EU directive this is hardly one of them.
- kleiba 13y agoFrankly, I never understood why anyone should be proud because they happen to be of a certain nationality.
- stinos 13y agoIt's like being proud of coincidence. Weird, but hey, why not?
- vdaniuk 13y agoBecause it skews your priorities and introduces more cognitive biases?
- dalore 13y agoI'm proud I rolled a 6 on my dice.
- emiliobumachar 13y agoThough it may look otherwise, the opinions of citizens have a fair weight in government policy.
- shard 13y ago