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If you're too busy to read the whole article or watch the keynote, also note that you can upgrade directly from Snow Leopard or later. They listed the hardware
by ics 13y ago
If you're too busy to read the whole article or watch the keynote, also note that you can upgrade directly from Snow Leopard or later. They listed the hardware models which will take it as well– the 2007 Mac Minis and MacBook Pros are supposedly good to go.
- arrrg 13y agoApple is all about that planned obsolescence, right!
- anologwintermut 13y agoThat argument usually applied to iOS an their practices about non easily user repairable hardware.
- arrrg 13y agoI’ve heard it made plenty times in reference to OS X (also iOS where they are really pushing the boundaries of the hardware to bring it to old devices). Every time a new version comes out, actually.
- stcredzero 13y ago> That argument usually applied to iOS... That's been the traditional criticism against Apple and Mac seemingly forever. (User of Apples since Apple II+ and original Macintosh.)
- ctdonath 13y agoPlanned obsolescence has been Apple's standard operating procedure since the beginning.
- Bud 13y agoWhatever. Is that why I've used my desktop Macs for an average of about 8 years before replacing them, and same with the laptops, at which time, I sold them, still working, to others?
- enneff 13y agoIndeed. What about the Apple II/e and original Macintoshes remaining useful for a decade after their release?
- lukifer 13y agoIt can still be planned obsolescence even if the plan is a good one. ;) Apple has always attempted to strike a balance between longevity and progress, especially on Macs (5-7 year lifespan, usually). iOS is faster-moving, and gets the shaft more often (2-3 years, sometimes less). The latter will hopefully get better as the mobile hardware catches up to desktops; most of the forced upgrades have been due to low RAM or other hardware deficiencies.
- brymaster 13y agoSince you're being credulous, I'll bite: Just because it's "free" and you can update systems that are on Snow Leopard, doesn't mean it'll update all systems on Snow Leopard. For those paying attention, Apple killed off quite a bit of hardware with 10.8. Those certainly aren't upgradable to Mavericks.
- arrrg 13y agoTo call that planned obsolescence is completely ridiculous.
- brymaster 13y agoIt's not. All hardware has a planned lifecycle and it's just up to them to draw the line in the sand. They'll also do it through software updates by making less features available on the older model in order to compel you to upgrade to the newer. "AirPlay Mirroring" only available in Sandy Bridge or greater because of the usage of Intel QuickSync is an example of that. For any cocoa/obj-c dev that's dealt with constant deprecated API's on Mac, they know exactly what I'm talking about.
- cdcarter 13y ago> They'll also do it through software updates by making less features available on the older model in order to compel you to upgrade to the newer. "AirPlay Mirroring" only available in Sandy Bridge or greatest because of the usage of Intel QuickSync is an example of that. By your own admission that's not "in order to compel you to upgrade to the newer." That's because the newer hardware is required to make it work satisfactorily.
- brymaster 13y agoNo, because third party alternatives like AirParrot or Beamer work just as well and without the hardware restriction.
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- badman_ting 13y agoAlso, their OS upgrades are more expensive than everyone else's because their customers are idiot sheep easily fooled by flashy marketing. That's why this is so expensive.
- jared314 13y agoWhile they may be good to go, I still like waiting a week to upgrade apple products. They do occasionally break things important to my workflow. The last one for me was VirtualBox support along with the Xcode commandline tools. While workarounds and patches appear fairly quickly, it is prudent not to put myself out of action, potentially for days or weeks, if I can avoid it.
- btian 13y agoIt's always a good idea to create a smaller partition and install the new OS. Make sure that everything is working, then upgrade the main partition.
- untog 13y agoOr just wait for someone else to try it. I'm not sure what anyone ever loses by waiting a week or so.
- shadesandcolour 13y agoIf you're concerned about application compatibility, you can check out RoaringApps. They have a new table for Mavericks compatibility. http://roaringapps.com/apps http://roaringapps.com/apps
- iambateman 13y agoDidn't Lion not support 2008 models? I think it's cool, and unusual, that they can now upgrade to Mavericks.
- glogla 13y agoI'm running Lion on 2007 MacBook, so it should support 2008 models. The problem was with Mountain Lion, because it required 64-bit EFI (or something) which older models don't have.
- Dan_Nguyen 13y agoMy girlfriend uses a 2008 aluminum MB (non-Pro), and I never had any issues upgrading her to previous versions of OSX. Now it's running Mountain Lion and downloading Mavericks as I type.
- iambateman 13y agoNice. My 2008 black macbook wouldn't upgrade. But I went MacBook Air, which was great.
- Turing_Machine 13y agoDepends on which model and when you bought it. If it's an iMac, you're good all the way back to mid-2007. Mac Pro needs to be early 2008 or later. Mac Mini needs to be early 2009 or later. If it won't run Lion/Mountain Lion, it won't run Mavericks either, unfortunately. Also note that some features (e.g., AirDrop) aren't available on older machines running Mountain Lion, even if the basic OS runs. I don't know if that's been changed for Mavericks.
- bluedino 13y agoI wonder what the technical reason is for not letting Leopard users upgrade. It seems like everyone I know with a 2008/2009 is still on 10.5.8
- durin42 13y agoNo app store in Leopard? If the MAS is the only distribution vector, there's a bootstrapping problem from 10.5 IIRC.
- wtallis 13y ago10.5 doesn't support the Mac App Store. And, why would they put effort into testing the upgrade process from an OS that is only still used by people who never upgrade the OS?
- tehwalrus 13y agosnow leopard was the first 64-bit only OS X. You couldn't allow all Leopard users to upgrade, so that's not what's in the press release. People may still be able to upgrade though, if they can work out how to install the App Store.
- xenonite 13y agoThe most technical reason for not offering an upgrade to all 10.5 users is: PowerPC-Architecture! 10.6 was the first Intel-Only OS X, and 10.5 the last one for PowerPCs.
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- molsongolden 13y agoNo luck for us 1st gen 2006 macbook users!
- wiredfool 13y agoThere was no luck on Lion or Mountain Lion either.
- georgebarnett 13y agoSadly the first Core Duo's were 32 bit. With that in mind, I can understand Apples motivation to move the whole line to 64 as soon as is possible.
- andoriyu 13y agoSadly first Core Duo's sucked so much that I spent way more time on G4 than on CD.
- aydoubleyou 13y agoWhere can I find the list of models?
- mfranzwa 13y agohttp://www.apple.com/osx/specs/ http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/
- mwcremer 13y agohttp://www.apple.com/osx/specs/ http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/
- acomjean 13y agoI'm always confused turning "mac late 2008" into the indetifier the mac system profiler reports: eg: Model Name: MacBook Model Identifier: MacBook7,1
- mwcremer 13y agohttp://www.apple.com/osx/specs/ http://www.apple.com/osx/specs/
- twoodfin 13y agoI'm hopeful I didn't misread the slide, and that the original Macbook Air will be supported. Not my primary laptop, but it'd be great to move up from Lion.
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- wtallis 13y agoNope. The original MacBook Air used a shitty Intel GMA GPU. OS X 10.8 and later require a real GPU - NVidia, AMD, or Intel Sandy Bridge or newer.
- shinratdr 13y ago10.8 didn't support that MBA, so I'm not sure why you would hope that 10.9 would suddenly reintroduce compatibility.
- oneeyedpigeon 13y agoMaybe because the App Store requirements, rather strangely, say "OSX 10.6.8". I suspect that might well be why it's free - can't have lots of people paying for something they can't use, much easier to do the checks during installation than at POS, and there will be a LOT of compatibility issues with various machines on the cusp.
- SyneRyder 13y agoI tried buying Mountain Lion on a machine that ran Lion but doesn't support ML, and the App Store does have hardware checks at point of sale. It won't let you buy/download it if your machine is incompatible.
- jonpeda 13y agoDoes anyone have a 2007 MBP with a functioning battery?
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- easytiger 13y agoThat's confusing, didn't they charge to upgrade to ML. Doesn't that then infer they should refund anyone who paid for an ML upgrade?
- jasonlotito 13y agoWhy? I got what they paid for. I don't feel slighted. I don't really understand how you can be confused.