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Why I moved to Miami
- nwatson 13y agoI'm now working for a San Jose startup from North Carolina ... and not from RTP, but from a much less tech-focused area. My wife's family lives here and that's great for our daughter. Our house here costs 20% what an equivalent house would have in San Mateo, my bay area home from 1995 to 2013. This place has a nice downtown, a pretty diverse population (a lot of medical research and university action). The food's pretty good and somewhat varied (no Shalimar Pakistani unfortunately, I miss my Saag Gosht). I miss the bay area but can now get back at least every two months or so to see old friends. If you can swing it, give it a try.
- bartonfink 13y agoWinston Salem, per chance?
- nwatson 13y agoYep! Do you have experience with the town?
- bartonfink 13y agoWent to Wake Forest from 2001-2005 and stuck around until my wife graduated from Salem College. I can't say I share your enthusiasm (I live in Denver now and couldn't be happier), but I am glad that you enjoy the place! Please feel free to hit me up with any ?'s you may have - I spent close to 8 years there in various phases of life.
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- robterrell 13y agoAs someone who escaped a tech job in Winston-Salem in the 90's, and now lives in Marin county, I'm curious about how things have improved. What VCs are making life better for startups? Or is it just a cheaper spot with decent internet?
- jacoblyles 13y agoWake Forest class of 2005 here, now working in the Valley. I can't help but be jealous of my college friends when I go back home and see their humane cost of living. Everybody I know in NC owns a home that would cost seven figures in Mountain View, CA. Everybody I know in California rents and lives dorm-style with roommates. Making a Silicon Valley salary remotely in Winston-Salem would let you live like a king. Besides, the Carolina skies are just breathtaking, and not available at any price. I recently visited Winston with my California native girlfriend, and we were both charmed by the beauty and open space of Carolina.
- nwatson 13y agoI also think North Carolina is beautiful. A drive through the countryside on a two-lane road is amazing. The epitome of evil here is to not mow your lawn or keep up your landscaping or to not apply that coat of paint, so everyone's place looks great. And the city of Winston Salem itself has improved in the last fifteen years tremendously from what I've heard. Many old-timers shun downtown for what it used to be, but 4th Street is busy every single night of the week. And for good work/hangout places, Camino Bakery is awesome, and Krankies Coffee beats any coffee shop in SF Bay Area hands down for atmosphere -- and coffee. SF would go nuts if the place were transplanted into The Mission. But on my first visit to the San Jose area in six months I was struck by how beautiful the place I left really is, too. In NC the trees are a bit suffocating. I like seeing the hills around the bay. And the NC trees are all the exact same shade of green during the summer. The hike I took at Purissima along Skyline Blvd was beautiful. And even the crowded housing everywhere has its charm. We made our choice and moved on to NC, but I'm real glad to be working for a bay area company again.
- malandrew 13y agoWhen you head to Raleigh, be sure to stop by Royal India on Capital Blvd. It's Indian, not Pakistani, but they excellent dishes including a saag gosht.
- nwatson 13y agoI'll try that!
- garysweaver 13y agoI think Raleigh is the best bang for the buck for tech, food, drink, and residence anywhere in the U.S. Downtown Raleigh has art festivals, music festivals (Hopscotch, Wide Open Bluegrass), Red Hat amphitheater, and Duke Energy Center for the Performing Arts (including Meymandi Concert Hall, Fletcher Opera Theater, Kennedy Theater, Memorial Auditorium), etc. There are a lot of great restaurants within walking distance of some nice/fun bars. You don't even have to walk or ride; they have a Trolley you can ride for free (or rent!), a Trolley Pub (bike bar), rickshaws, etc. There are clubs (various kinds and each age groups), but that's not as much my scene anymore. They are to a saturation point with microbrewing companies in the area, they have so many: http://www.ncbeer.org/brewery-map/ http://www.ncbeer.org/brewery-map/ And that's not all of Raleigh, e.g. North Hills has been having great free outdoor concerts with a few great bars (and a great grocery store if you want to be cheap) right next to it, which has been our fav recently. It is basically everything you love about a "small town" (great people, community, lower cost of living) in a well-educated and resourced area (NCSU, UNC-CH, Duke Univ. and too many tech companies to mention) with plenty of great places to eat and things to do. But, Durham has DPAC, lots of great restaurants, a good startup scene, including areas devoted to startups like the Underground in the American Tobacco District next to DPAC and the Durham Bulls ballpark (where they do concerts, too.), etc. And for the best hole-in-the-wall places to eat, you just have to ask around enough, like anywhere else. It might be a hot pot Chinese place in some random Morrisville strip mall, etc.
- malandrew 13y agoUsed to live there. Now live in SF. Could never live in Raleigh again and I only go to visit family. It's entirely too car focused and the tech community is trivial in size compared to SF. The only active meetup group I came across while visiting recently with solid engineers was the Ruby Brigade. However with Relevance in Durham, I imagine there is a solid Clojure community in the area as well. If you don't mind cars, the quality of live if pretty great, however it kills me that it is just far enough from the mountains and the beaches for either to be convenient. Freshwater lakes aren't too far, but too much of those nearby are in the watershed supplying water to the area so recreational usage is highly restricted.
- LogicX 13y agoCome say hi over in Myrtle Beach, SC: WhyNotTheBeach.com
- memracom 13y agoThe whole Silicon Valley advantage is fading. I went there back in 1997 when it was very hard to find technical jobs in my country (Canada) because a lot of those kinds of jobs gravitated to head office cities for large companies, and many Canadian companies were subsidiaries of large American companies. In Silicon Valley, I learned that most startups fail or are acquired within in a year or so. It's like a lottery. Then I headed to London England, found a job fairly easily and lived there for 10 years or so. Not long ago I returned to Canada, Vancouver this time, and found it loaded with startups and other tech businesses that were more established. Another Canadian city that I am familiar with is Waterloo Ontario and it is in a similar condition. I'm told that Toronto is also overflowing with opportunities both startup and more established stuff. If you are going to play the startup lottery, why not do it among folks you know. And in case you are wondering what this has to do with Miami, I agree with the OP, just stay home and build your business (startup or otherwise) right there. You still have a ticket in the startup lottery if that is the way you want to go, but just like in SV itself, most of those startups don't last very long. However, unlike SV, if you stay where you are then you have a better chance of building a normal business that grows incrementally by serving profitable customers, reinvesting profits, and taking a longer term view. Readers of HN should be very aware that there are startups all over the place, and not just in American cities but in most countries of the world. Silicon Valley just isn't as special as it once was because computers and tech and Internet connectivity is now virtually everywhere that there are cities.
- hackula1 13y agoI always find it interesting how a company that takes off and IPOs outside SV seems to gain almost no attention even when they have profits that would dwarf most of the hot startups. I work down the street from a startup that IPO'd a couple years ago for hundreds of millions, does double digits of daily trading on the NASDAQ, and seemingly nobody has heard of. Instagram selling for a billion is cool and all, but there are many companies like this who fly 100% under the radar. If I had to guess, it is probably a focus on B2C vs B2B. (Don't have the source, but I think I read it in Inc. this month) 80% of the startups filing for IPO this year are B2B. Food for thought.
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- Samuel_Michon 13y agoIn light of the current (and ongoing) discussion on editorializing titles on HN: The article title “Why I moved to Miami & you should too” is very different from the HN submission “Before moving your startup to NYC or SFO”. I don’t always agree with HN moderators’ title changes, but in this case, I can see why the title would be reversed (it hasn’t been yet, as of me writing this.)
- stonlyb 13y agoHappy? ;-)
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoEuphoric!
- goronbjorn 13y agoMinor editorial note: SFO is the airport, SF is the normal abbreviation for the city.
- stonlyb 13y agoCorrected. Thank you!
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoPerhaps they used ‘SFO’ to mean the San Francisco & Oakland area?
- jknightco 13y agoWe use SFO to denote our San Francisco office, and I've seen other companies do the same. Not necessarily contradicting you, just offering another data point.
- lobster_johnson 13y agoIt's pretty common to use the main airport name as a synecdoche referring to the city. I regularly see CPH used instead of Copenhagen, OSL instead of Oslo, BCN for Barcelona, etc. Doesn't work for all cities, of course.
- nextstep 13y agoMaimi is pretty cool. It's too bad they're going to be underwater and the city mostly uninhabitable in about 10 years.
- yeukhon 13y agoIf 10 years is true, no one would be living there right now. People will already be evacuating. The number is probably around 30-50 years. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jul/29/climate-new-york-boston-miami-sea-level http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jul/29/climate-n...
- AJ007 13y agoSF could have a devastating earthquake at any moment and people are still there. Down in LA someone is trying to build a skyscraper on an active fault line: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hollywood-fault-millennium-20130802,0,2672188.story http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hollywood-fault-mill... A good portion of Manhattan will be under water if sea levels rise as well. Then we all know what happened to New Orleans. People seem to enjoy evacuating after the fact, not before.
- Crake 13y agoI've looked at the projections, and Manhattan's not nearly as screwed as Miami. Our foundation is mostly rock, I think, and a lot of this island has a relatively high elevation (as anyone who has walked up the giant hill to CCNY would happily tell you). Of course, the financial district will probably be toast, but things will just get pushed further into the bronx/inwood areas as is already happening now due to rent prices. I don't think anyone will care if we have to abandon Staten Island... Miami, on the other hand, is mostly flat and is sitting on a porous foundation, in addition to being right next to the everglades. There was a really interesting article recently on it: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-city-of-miami-is-doomed-to-drown-20130620#ixzz2X0NGzxLY http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-city-of-mi...
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- excitom 13y agoYeah, but I'll take the weather in Redwood City (mid peninsula) over the oppressive heat and humidity (and cockroaches and mosquitos) of Florida any day. For reference: I've lived both places.
- brianbreslin 13y agoI live in Miami, and prefer Palo Alto weather much of the year.
- stonlyb 13y agoI find staying inside where there is A/C and commuting in my car helps manage the heat.
- jvrossb 13y agoA/C doesn't follow you outside.
- randallsquared 13y agoSimple fix: don't go outside. :D
- TomJoad 13y agooutside AC? The next billion dollar startup?
- sanskritabelt 13y agoYou might find this surprising, but it's kind of nice to actually be able to go "outside".
- stonlyb 13y agoMy second invention idea when I was a lad was for a jacket that was a self contained climate control device. This was after my I created sketches for my first invention, a levitating car commute system. My friend took both to his father, who at the time was an executive at a Korean auto manufacturer. Still waiting to see those 2 materialize.
- chrissnell 13y agoThere are so many great places to live outside of SF and NYC. For the price of my old Bay Area rental, I rented the upper half of a gorgeous house in the Old Town of Park City, Utah. I was a 35 minute commute from Salt Lake (half of my SFBA commute) and my front doorstep was two short blocks from the ski lift. I could walk or ride my bike to everything that I needed. Sundance screenings were half a block away. In the summer, I could come home after work and still get a two hour mountain bike ride in, with the trails one block away. In the winter, I could ski all weekend or even get in some night runs after work at PCMR. Northern Utah has a thriving tech/startup community so there's plenty of local support. Sadly, I left Utah to follow my wife's (military) career to Tacoma, WA. When she retires in 9 years, you can bet that we'll head back.
- grogenaut 13y agoPlenty of good non-mormon places in WA and OR to reside. While not quite SLC for outdoors, they aren't bad. Bend for example
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoPark City is hardly Mormon, I'm not sure what your point is.
- _delirium 13y agoIf anyone else is curious, numbers for Park City that seem to be floating around: 40% nonreligious, 35% LDS, 15% Catholic, 10% other religion.
- cookiecaper 13y agoThese numbers are rarely reflective of actual encounters because many people who are nominally included in the LDS figure choose not to practice or observe. Still, 35% nominally LDS is very low for Utah. Summit County is the one place in Utah that leans blue in most elections, and is a common settling place for wealthy persons who like skiing, hence the diminishing LDS population.
- javajosh 13y agoI'm not sure if others have experienced this, but my brain doesn't function very well in tropical heat and humidity. It just seems to slow down, and mental games don't seem as interesting. It may be that I've been conditioned by many episodes of tropical vacations growing up, but whatever the reason, I can't (and indeed, don't really want to) code below about 30 degrees latitude.
- bored 13y agoThe heat makes me lethargic
- Miyamoto 13y agoI'm sure most start ups in Miami have A/C, so I'm not sure what your concern is. Most apartments too. Anyway, I live in an area that reaches 43c in the summer and -6c in the winter. When I first moved here it definitely threw me off, but I got acclimated to it quickly.
- hackula1 13y agoAs someone who grew up in Milwaukee and moved to Charleston, I agree 100%. One of my largest clients is in Milwaukee now and I can say definitively that I have lost all tolerance for that bitter cold. And to all you Canadians living north of the wall... I don't know how you do it.
- redthrowaway 13y agoBeing in Vancouver/Victoria helps. It's basically Bay Area climate.
- Patrick_Devine 13y agoWell, not quite. In the summer Vancouver/Victoria are both way nicer than SF. I personally don't think there is a nicer place to be in August. In the winter, they're both colder. Neither compare to the peninsula though. It's still mid-20s in Palo Alto during the day right now whereas its mid-teens in Vancouver.
- brianbreslin 13y agoAre we seeing more quality of life decisions being a bigger and bigger factor in startups? I've met with at least 3 nyc startups that are moving to Miami in the last few weeks because their runway is twice as long here. Although I know they aren't going to stay here permanently, I do like the idea that new blood is coming into the area. New blood equals new ideas which in turn leads to even more new startups.
- sanskritabelt 13y agoOne of the main problems w/ Florida is you're living among Floridians.
- mekoka 13y agoCould you elaborate a bit more on this? Genuinely interested.
- jeremybencken 13y agosee the Florida tag on Fark http://www.fark.com/topic/florida http://www.fark.com/topic/florida "Have you ever been to Florida? It's basically a criminal population. It's America's Australia." - Jack Donaghy, 30 Rock
- acomjean 13y agoA lot of weird stuff goes down in florida. The pan handle is deep south. Its basically an odd mix. (My college roomate lived in Tampa after graduating umass) Collecting the weird stories has become an internet meme. That being said the everglades national park is one of the most beautiful places I've been. (Just don't go during mosquito season).... edit: I can't believe I was the second reference to fark on this thread....
- TheLegace 13y agoMy favourite one: >Disgruntled ex-boyfriend left thousands of voicemails on his ex-girlfriend's phone, adds sound effects like gunshots in the background for that added criminal charge[1] [1]Sun Sentintal
- philwelch 13y agoSearch for "Florida man" on Google News.
- wpietri 13y agoOr read one of the aggregators: https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan https://twitter.com/_FloridaMan http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/tag/florida-friday http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/tag/florida-friday
- analog31 13y agoI spent a few years in Texas -- another zero income tax state, before moving back to the Midwest. Something to consider is whether or not you've got kids. Right now my family lives in an affordable neighborhood with a tolerant culture and excellent public schools that my two kids attend. In Texas, it seemed more like getting a good secular education for your kids was something that you had to pay a lot for, one way or the other -- either living in a super affluent neighborhood or finding private schools. Financially, I think that I may actually come out ahead living in one of the so-called "education states." Granted, my cultural biases show themselves in this post.
- turar 13y agoI was under impression that Texas does have good schools, e.g. 3 of top 20 schools in the nation according to USNews are in TX: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-r... Also, what are the "education states" and why?
- scottjad 13y agoAmusingly Miami has 3 schools on that list (Florida has 5), and all of California has 2 (neither in the Bay Area). Though unless you're planning on sending your kids to one of these schools I don't think this really tells you much of anything.
- grogenaut 13y ago2 are in neighboring "counties" in seattle. Wooh boring seattle.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoKirkland and Bellevue are both in king county.
- grogenaut 13y agothus the effing quoties. I live here I know theyre both in king county. But thanks for being both pedantic and stupid. it keeps smart people in SV and away from trying to get my job.
- azakai 13y ago> Lastly, the weather in Florida is unparalleled from November to March. It's usually pretty good the rest of the year too Lies :P I've lived in Miami. March to November, it's super-hot and super-humid. And it has hurricanes.
- bstahlhood 13y agoHe said November to March. Fall to Spring. Not Spring to Fall. Huge difference.
- bennyg 13y agoThe last sentence of the quote is what he was referencing.
- bstahlhood 13y agoThanks for clarification. I am a little slow sometimes :)
- auston 13y agoHere is Miami in April: http://instagram.com/p/X7ufLBQWkI/ http://instagram.com/p/X7ufLBQWkI/ Miami in May: http://instagram.com/p/ZFur0VQWkM/ http://instagram.com/p/ZFur0VQWkM/ June: http://instagram.com/p/aBqCq_QWhp/ http://instagram.com/p/aBqCq_QWhp/ Yes it's hot (& most definitely humid) but bad weather is not really that common (at least for me in the last 2 years) & I think the sky & sunsets are flippin' beautiful!
- grogenaut 13y agoI think what you're calling bad weather and what am are 2 different things. I miss "bad weather" aka big ass storms. I don't miss hot & humid. and oh god that last picture makes me cringe and wrap myself in my 30 degree blanket.
- morgante 13y agoI definitely sympathize with the tax burden component. Here in New York, I only end up taking home half what I'm paid which is especially frustrating for a contractor who could theoretically be working remotely.
- judk 13y agoYou should less at one number and more at the bottom line and total value for money.
- abbottry 13y agoThere are plenty of great places to build your startup. I don't think SF is one of them, but I'd live on the street in SF before living in Miami (again).
- auston 13y agoWe miss you Ry <3
- abbottry 13y agoI wish I could say the same.
- brianbreslin 13y agoRyan you never technically lived in Miami...
- abbottry 13y agoAs Miami as the Miami Dolphins.. are you suggesting that Miami is drastically different than it's surrounding area.. the city limits of Miami are quite large, and have many different types of neighborhoods. I love that everyone that lives in Miami thinks they are different, and never want to be grouped with 'outsiders' (folks that live in neighboring counties), but anyone that doesn't, considers all Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach the same. It's always referred to as SFL, South Florida.. All the startups, investors, etc mentioned in articles like this are not located IN Miami.. they are spread across SFL.
- crystaln 13y agoI made the decision a long time ago that people come first. Comparing the people of San Francisco to those of Miami, well, in this case you get what you pay for. I feel like a rock star wild man anywhere else. In San Francisco I feel like I'm surrounded by people smarter, more creative, and better at life than me. That's worth every penny. I'll take a hovel in SF over a mansion in Miami any day. Besides, the defense of Miami in this article stinks of all that is wrong with America - that it's filled with great places to consume. Don't get me wrong, I love my fancy hipster bars, restaurants, and shops - but those aren't what makes SF the best city for me.
- jmduke 13y agoThe implication of this post is that people in Miami are dumber, less creative, and "worse at life" than those in San Francisco. The population of Miami is around 410,000. When someone tries to "comparing the people of X", where X is a population of 410,000, I think the bigger insight is to be gleaned from the writer's preconceptions than their conclusions.
- carlosdp 13y agoI think the implication is more that the tech talent you find in Miami tends to be of a lower caliber, not that the people are generally dumber.
- crystaln 13y agoSan Francisco is a magnet for talented, ambitious, creative, brilliant, audacious people. It's hard to argue against this, and by accepting that as true, you must also accept the clear corollary - that there are proportionally more of those extraordinary people in San Francisco and fewer in Miami. And yes, that makes huge difference. While it may not be politically correct to say that one city is "dumber, less creative, and 'worse at life'," it seems to be politically fine to say San Francisco is filled with creative, smart, "good at life" people. Of course, those statements are logically equivalent, so it's really just politics you are arguing.
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- paul9290 13y agoTaxes here in the states are overall disgusting, though you don't realize it until your salary inches upwards. When your making 40K to 55K here in the states the amount of taxes taken seems like a fair share. Though when you almost double that you wonder what's the point of making more money on paper as in your pocket you only make 60 to 65 percent of of your earnings - WTH?
- XorNot 13y agoNaturally I assume you[ve started declining raises and promotions now because you "don't see the point".
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago....and taxes are any lower in other countries? I would love to be paying American rather than Chinese taxes on my salary.
- qwerta 13y agoHow about 65% taxes? Welcome to Europe :-)
- wpietri 13y agoThe point would be making more money. Also, perhaps, being more productive, accomplishing more, having great responsibility, and contributing more to society. Of course, the people still making your old salary surely feel terrible that your now-doubled salary is filling you with discussed. If you ask nicely, I bet they'll trade paychecks with you so you feel better.
- paul9290 13y agoUmm check out toomuchtodo's post above and think to yourself.... yeah I've worked hard and smart and now I'm making 120K on paper, yet in my pocket after all the taxes I only get 60K? WHAT!?! But if you make 50K your gonna see 38K in your pocket. 12K in taxes is a fair amount as I'm all for taxes for roads and services I use. Though taking half of what you make each year in the various taxes is insane and again for me makes me think why work harder and smarter. The majority of my rewards will be taken from me!
- mp3tricord 13y agoCan someone explain to my why its an advantage to live in a state with zero income tax? Does it really matter how the state makes its money. If it does not come from your paycheck directly they get it other ways. For instance in Florida you pay ~2% property tax on your assessed value and in california you pay ~1% on your purchased value. If you bought property at 500k and its appreciated to 1 million in CA you pay 5k in FL you pay 20k.
- dxhdr 13y agoSure, but consider that the majority of people in SF/SV are priced out of the market and are instead renters -- they're getting the worst of both worlds.
- mp3tricord 13y agoBut the additional property tax is already built into your rent price and increases?
- dxhdr 13y agoThe point is that as a non-homeowner, you don't pay property tax so you don't benefit from low property tax rates. Instead you're paying rent that's among the highest in the nation. And your salary, which better be large to deal with the outrageous rent, is being taxed at one one of the highest rates in the country. It's the absolute worst tax situation to be in.
- wpietri 13y agoGenerally inputs are priced into market price. So as a renter, I suspect I benefit from low property taxes.
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- zobzu 13y agolooks tempting enough.
- leif 13y agoIt often happens that someone outside new york talks about the amaaaazing food in their city. I used to laugh, or correct them. Nowadays I just feel pity. Nothing compares to the food of new york city. Absolutely nothing. Don't even fucking try. "I live within walking distance of two zagat top 10 rated restaurants." There are sixty restaurants within walking distance of my apartment and they're all better than anything in miami. Fuck, 5 of them are run by Top Chef winners. And there are 10 more that are better than those because the food network doesn't even get the top talent.
- moron4hire 13y agoOh, get the fuck over yourself. You ain't got the corner on good food.
- leif 13y agoNo, I've been around the block. There is a legitimate and drastic difference between everywhere else (in the U.S. and Europe, at least) and this city. The only other place in the U.S. that competes is L.A., and S.F. but only for burritos (why doesn't NYC have burritos?).
- grogenaut 13y agowow, you've been to the US AND THE EU... impressed. I'm impressed that only SF and LA have burritos. YOU ARE A WORLD TRAVELLER. Whee, immediate -4 karma. But seriously nyc has some good food but it doesn't have a stranglehold on great ingredients. The west coast in fact has better access and makes better use of it because it's natural to just assume that those things exists. Some of the best food I've had is actually in local quality resturants in detroit, stl, pittsburgh, and boston, when they are showing off their natural 300 mile radius ingredients and how to use them in season.
- leif 13y agoLA has a lot of good food, SF only has good burritos.
- grogenaut 13y ago"Lastly the weather is unparalleled from Nov thru March." Yeah and it's fucking gawdawful for the rest of the year. You can put on more clothes when it's cold but you can't put on more cold when it's hot. But you do get warm water for 6 months of the year. To each their own. Just don't tell me I'm stupid for picking mine. Tell me what's better. Fucking Hot and Humid is not a reason.
- auston 13y agoHey, I'm really sorry! I didn't mean to come off as suggesting you're any less smart for your decisions. I just wrote this up as a formalization for when my friends ask me why I live in Miami. I didn't expect for it to front page HN. Again, I'm sorry for offending you!
- grogenaut 13y agoNo way not a problem. I live in Seattle and it's gorgeous for 2-6 months a year. 6 on a good year fingers crossed for global warming. But the rest of the year means a shit ton of snow and I LOVE snow. If I didn't I'd be in Austin or the south. I agree with you, it's absurd for most of these people to live in SF.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoSeattle gets snow maybe once every 2 years, otherwise you only see it if you go to the passes or on a clear day when you can see it on the mountains. Now rain on the other hand....
- grogenaut 13y agoby snow I mean snow in the mountains, the type that is fun, not snow in town, the type that causes other fun but not as useful
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- Zisko 13y agoAs a native born Miamian studying CS the University of Miami, this excites me. I grew up in Bal Harbour and around college time I knew leaving would be a mistake. Nothing compares to the Aventura/ South Beach/ Coral Gables environments. However, It's been really hard to get into the tech community here, even though theres an amazing potential for startups in this city. I'm working on something myself but it seems as if theres no support and I always assumed I'd have to move to California or up north if I wanted to be a serious programmer, so this is great news! P.S. If anyone needs an intern, I make a great cuban coffee! jacobmizraji@gmail.com
- auston 13y agoHey, you should apply at 1Sale, shoot us an email: dev@1saleaday.com
- grogenaut 13y agoas a person who's been telling SF and NYC to FU, you should really go try other parts of the country and see what you like. Then come back to FLA if you like it.
- gubatron 13y agoother than good coffee can you code? or market on social networks. check out our game punsr.com. research us, find me, looking for cs interns. we do more than punsr.com. we are in the grove.
- ChrisNorstrom 13y agoHell no: Hot weather is bad for productivity. I lived in Florida for 5 years. Lived in St. Louis for 15. It's not a myth, being in a hotter state makes you lazier, more tired, and decreases your productivity levels (unless you're indoors 100% of the time). It's the heat & sun and the way it affects productivity and thinking, and blood distribution. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/24/a-hotter-world-is-a-less-productive-world/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/24/a... http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865562780/Hot-news-The-best-workplace-temperature-is-warm-or-cold.html?pg=all http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865562780/Hot-news-The-be... For me at least, being in the heat would just drain me of my energy and focus. When I lived in Orlando, Florida my productivity just hit rock bottom. I didn't want to do anything. Neither did anyone around me. My neighbors were all lazy, everyone was lazy, the parks had a lot less people than parks up north. Every thing was just slower. Less people walked. Everyone was just inside. The sun is just intense since Florida's closer to the equator, the heat is extreme during the summer and since there's so much humidity your body can't cool itself off through sweat evaporation. Also, when you're in the heat your body sends more blood to circulate in your skin and uses a lot more energy to keep itself cool. And even simple things like going outside to check my mail would just be a burning pain. I'm serious, we all stayed indoors. We were like prisoners. Miami is even worse. And Key West was just... a boiling oven. Compare the productivity levels, development, & innovation of colder countries with warmer countries. Is it really a surprise that so many 3rd world countries are hot countries near the equator (with very little availability of air conditioning)? "According to this theory, about 70% of the economic development of a country can be predicted from the distance between that country and the equator. In other words, the further from the equator the more developed a country tends to be." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism After my Florida experience I'm staying away from the south. Some people love it there though.
- ars_technician 13y agoIf everyone was inside with AC, why was your productivity lower? What you said can only make sense if your business requires you to work outside.
- DanBlake 13y agoI just moved from SF to Miami Beach a month ago. I loved SF but if you have the ability to work from home as I do, financially it does not make sense to stay. I honestly would have preferred to move to Honolulu over here but the only area I liked (Tantalus/roundtop/pacheights) really didn't (at the time) have any nice houses for sale that were under 5 million. Also, while the cost of living is way down here, so is the income you will get from working a local job. I talked with a few people and there is scant a developer pulling in over 90k here. Compare that to SF where 100k salaries are the norm and it all evens out. With that said, I like MB/Miami. The tech scene is in its infancy though. I don't believe there is any real institutional venture funds here. Basically, raising a 'A' round is going to be very difficult. You might be able to pull it off with latin american based VC but it will be a struggle. I will say that the people I have met so far out here have been very nice and welcoming and there is a very good vibe. I am looking forward to building things out here.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoI did an internship at IBM's Boca Raton site back in '95, where Microsoft used to work with IBM on OS/2 and NT. There used to be a much more vibrant tech scene in that area in the 90s, before everything moved to....Texas.
- Samuel_Michon 13y agoAlso, Apple and AMD have facilities in Orlando.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoNot to mention the PC was born in Boca (IBM's initial PC 5150 and later).
- yardie 13y agoI used to work in Boca Raton in 03-05. The tech scene is very much financial services based. I would say most of the SFla tech is financial services. Not the actual stock market, but mortgages, banking, and refi, and normalized payments (the monthly income you would get from winning the lottery or lawsuit). I was a game beta tester at that IBM site in 96, later called T-REX. $17/hr for a 16yo was way better than anything McDonalds would pay.
- JDDunn9 13y agoI recently moved to Orlando from Hawaii for the cost benefits. Pros: - Florida was the hit the hardest by the housing collapse, so it's like houses are having a 50% off sale. - Lots to do. Many cities here like Orlando and Miami were built on tourism, so there's a lot of interesting things to do compared with cities built for business as usual. - Decent beaches and nice weather in season. Cons: - The state government seems extremely backwards/frustrating. Even getting your driver's license switched over requires ~7 documents. Florida representatives frequently say stupid things, so you get to see comedians like Jon Stewart tear them apart on a regular basis. - The weather. You have to put up with hurricanes and regular storms. My sinuses bug me a lot more here. - Social life. If you're more progressive/liberal, you'll have to get used to being the odd-man-out. You can also feel left out if you don't speak Spanish in many places here.
- exue 13y agoInteresting note on politics - always got the impression that Florida was the 'center-of-road swing state' from elections. Is it different on the ground/in social life?
- tdfx 13y agoIt's barely fair to even refer to Florida as a singular place, because South Florida and "The Rest of Florida" are two different cultures. South Florida is the nice beaches, upscale stuff, and the progressive, educated, imported population. The "Rest of Florida" has small slivers of tourist spots along the coast but for the most part resembles any other southern state, and tends to be quite red politically.
- grogenaut 13y agogotta say that sinuses bug out moving a lot. I moved from STL to SEA and had sinuses bug out for first time in 30+ years even though the allergens are way lower in SEA.
- goatslacker 13y agoI was born and raised in Miami and my family still lives there so I visit quite often. I moved to the Bay Area not too long ago (3 years) for work and IMO it's no comparison. Miami is a great place to live if your priorities are partying. There are excellent night clubs and beautiful men and women everywhere. The Bay Area holds an advantage over almost every point the OP made. Rent is ~$2k for a 2 bedroom 2 bath if you want to live in a nice area in Coral Gables that isn't full of roaches, or was built in the 1940s and has dwarf-sized rooms. Rent is about the same in the peninsula. If you want to purchase it's a whole different story however. What costs ~$1m here is ~$300k there and probably in a lot better shape. Food is a push. I must say the Bay Area probably offers a larger variety of food. Miami is mostly all Caribbean and Central/South American food which is excellent but not as varied as the Indian, Mediterranean, Afghan, Thai you see out here. The neighborhoods are even more awesome here in the Bay Area. I say this because the strangers I meet on the street are a lot nicer than the strangers in Miami. There's a unique, wonderful, and rich history to the cities and towns in the Bay Area and there are a lot of neat places to explore like the Open Space preserves out West or the forrest in Santa Cruz. The only mountains in Florida are the smelly trash ones. The Developer ecosystem pales in comparison. It's not even close and it won't be for a while. There are very little tech companies out there and no real major players. While it's very nice to see it blooming the reality is that it's still in its infancy and if you're moving out there just for the tech you're doing it wrong. The weather. It's just terrible. It's like a sauna all the time. It feels like you're breathing in liquid water sometimes and it's difficult to make it from your house to your car (which will be a scorching inferno) without sweating. The only great things Miami has that I truly miss is the water; it is beautiful and warm.
- jamesaguilar 13y agoWhen he said the weather is nice for the winter and also pretty OK most of the summer I just had to wonder. I mean, different strokes for different folks but man, that is a totally different yardstick than how I measure weather, and I grew up in Florida.
- auston 13y agoHaha it has been pretty OK lately (last 2 years). It used to be REALLY rainy during summer, but I feel like it rained 20-30 days this year!
- tempestn 13y agoBurn Notice already sold me on Miami. If only all my friends and family didn't live in Canada!
- frank_boyd 13y agoPlus, now that Dexter is gone...
- elchief 13y agoI worked for a VoIP startup an hour north of Miami. They got bought for $300M. I got to live in one of the owner's mansions, by myself. It had nine bathrooms. Oddly enough, you hear a lot of French there. From the Haitian taxi drivers to the Snow Birds from Quebec. You can buy good Quebecois beer at some stores. Miami itself is pretty nice. Reminds me of Vancouver and San Diego. Not a big fan of Cuban food, but the nightlife is top-notch. Beach scene is cool if you like beaches. It's pretty hot, but everything has crazy good A/C. Can fly to the Bahamas/Bermuda/St. Barth's whenever you want. Cheap flights up the East Coast too. It helps to have a car, though they have a seemingly underused elevated public train. It's a good place to bike, as there are essentially no hills. Regarding taxes, I was paying essentially the same income tax + payroll tax in Florida as I do in British Columbia (though BC has pretty low taxes). Plus free healthcare in Canada. Gas, booze, smokes are basically half the price in Florida as Canada though. On the bad side... Peeps are a little shallow, though there is an okay arts community. Not exactly an intellectual climate. I'm sure it can be found, but I didn't. Palm Beach is a weird fucking place. Richest zip code in America (or was at the time I was there). West Palm Beach was the per-capita murder capital of America. Cops on the bridges to keep the homies out. Lots of boarded-up shops in West Palm during the height of the boom in 2008. Didn't make sense. There were three murders (of rich white people) that I heard of during the year I was there. The locals are poorly educated, but there are lots of bright imports from around America that make it interesting. So if you like your artsy, intellectual coffee-shop community of San Fran or Seattle, Miami might not be for you. But if you like clubbing at nights and laid-back days, it's pretty good.
- igorgue 13y agoThis have changed a lot, specially in the Wynwood / Design District / Midtown area (3 of Downtown's neighborhoods). And I gonna be the first one to say it I think... I remember during PyCodeconf 2 years ago many of the attendees from SF were really impressed by the amount of women here (beautiful ones) that even the most introverted (I am one of those) can find someone here. For girls too, also, since people are really obsessed with fitness here. That's pretty shallow but hey we didn't come out with Tinder ;-) you guys did. The fun time we have at nightclubs (now there are many hipster bars and venues) is really unmatchable, I went out 3 times this week (it's just friday night) and the places were still going hard at 5am, not only that, there are places that close very late and open early (Will Call, from 12pm to 7am) or open at 3am (Mekka and Space). I might sound like a party guy but I'm not, this is very typical of Miami. I'm not gonna tell you, you can find smarter people here, since that would be a lie, but artsy people? Probably, and very good looking. About the affordability, I live in front of Bayfront Park (the biggest park in Downtown, walking distance from AAA) the apartment is beautiful, and the building is like living in a hotel, pool (with a bar and full staff), gym, spa, all that for only $1650 (and my neighbors pay a lot less, I'm just a bad negotiator), check it out: http://www.vizcayne.com/ http://www.vizcayne.com/
- pearjuice 13y agoThis is what all job postings should look like. That was amazing and it got me hooked until the end. If you are a Ruby developer looking for a new gig and was not surprisingly convinced at the end of that read, I don't know how job postings could possibly improve.
- devx 13y agoHow's the crime rate in Miami?
- saltyknuckles 13y agoDon't go to Overtown, Miami Gardens, Hialeah, and Cutler Bay.
- GuerraEarth 13y agoGuys, the article is not about food juiciness. It's about someone who loves their job and kicks it back with a spectacular ocean front view, which we don't have in beloved Manhattan. Everybody who wants to argue should maybe take a quick vacation. Like to Miami. : )
- edw519 13y agoI love/hate Miami. Pros: No state income tax. (A HUGE advantage) Lots of business. Some of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Stunning winter weather. Gorgeous beaches/parks/neighborhoods. International culture. Walkable neighborhoods near downtown. Some of the best restaurants I've ever been to. Emerging startup scene. Vibrant arts/design/culture scene. Year round biking/jogging/swimming/etc. Lots of money (including international). Can fly non-stop anywhere. Decent mass transit. Lots of wonderful highrise communities in town. Cons: Horrendous traffic. The worst drivers I've ever seen. Everything generally overpriced. Some of the rudest people you'll ever meet. Generally horrible service. Lots of blight. Hot summers (but oddly, no worse than most of the northeast). Lots of competition for living/shopping/going out/etc. Too much crime/not enough enforcement. Party scene is played out (Too loud, not as pretty as you think you are)
- stonlyb 13y agolol @ 'not as pretty as you think you are' - I think there is so much shallow beauty here you sometimes get desensitized. Your sense for quality people gets honed and you start to gravitate towards each other (if your genuinely looking). Hence why there is an strong but not well known intellectual and art culture here. The visibility is growing though, thanks to places like http://thelabmiami.com/ http://thelabmiami.com/
- baak 13y agoThe drivers are an interesting point. People in Miami drive way too aggressively. In Texas, I found the opposite in Austin. People here are passive to the point where it's dangerous. Someone will come to a full stop slamming on their breaks from about 40 MPH because they got scared of merging onto the highway fairly regularly.
- goshx 13y agoI hate the drivers down here (I live in Miami). People couldn't care less about others in the transit. You are lucky if people let you change lanes. When I moved here I bought a brand new camaro... on the third day I got a big dent on the passenger's door. A month later there were three already, even with all my attempts to park as safe as possible from other cars.
- baak 13y agoIt's funny that you mention the food being a vegetarian... the food is way more awesome with meat in Miami :) Cubans are known for their pork, beef, and seafood. The 3$ meals you can get at a Cuban dive in Miami put almost everything I've found in Austin to shame.
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- justanother 13y agoLower Florida Keys resident here. I still own a place in Orlando which I have only visited once in the 6 years I've been gone. I got tired of hearing gunshots in the middle of the night. Between that and the chaotic (and plentiful) highway drivers, you couldn't possibly pay me to live in most (any?) large cities in mainland Florida. Despite being only 120 miles from Miami, I've still never visited, unless you count traffic jams when trying to get through it. Once you get away from the urban nightmares, Florida isn't so bad though. Admittedly not everyone likes the climate, but I run a few miles every morning, even in the summer, and getting on a boat helps to cool off. No malls or dance clubs, and almost no big-box stores or fast food. But we do have Amazon Prime and a fishing pole.
- hellbanTHIS 13y agoOrlando is horrible, one of my least favorite cities in Florida. Gainesville on the other hand is great.
- philmcc 13y agoI agree with Orlando. Half-agree with Gainesville. G'ville is fantastic if you have kids or are a kid. From 20-35 it's sort of a "Why am I here?" wasteland. Unless you REALLY love the Gators.
- jkimmel 13y agoDid someone flip the street signs on me? I live in downtown Orlando and love the atmosphere. Plenty of meetups, cheap rent in and around the skyline, great nightlife, tons of big name concerts and great local shows every night of the week. Gainesville on the other hand seemed to be mostly a bunch of drunken undergraduates. Cool if that's your scene, but outside of Grooveshark there didn't seem to be much of a tech community, and very little in the way of the fine arts.
- baak 13y agoBig difference between Miami and the Keys is you probably have to evacuate every time there's a hurricane warning. Besides I always thought of the Overseas Highway through all of the Keys as a death trap. If the oncoming traffic swerves into your lane, you have no where to go but water. It used to be way worse before it was rebuilt too. Suburban Miami wasn't bad at least... I certainly don't remember any gunshots growing up there. Now if you lived near Overtown, West Perrine, Goulds, etc. then yeah, you had to deal with gunshots. Same with every major city though.
- foster1890 13y agoLocal Miami resident here and I'm glad to see the startup community is finally getting some investment. I moved from DC 2 years ago and the only jobs I found were enterprise .NET/Java position about 30-60 min away from Miami in Fort Lauderdale and Boca Raton. I really enjoy living in Miami, but it's difficult to find a well paying job here, good devs will make about $90K. The reason is there's just not enough demand for the skillset. Hopefully that will change once the startup community here matures. One note about cost of living, compared to other cities the cost of living in Miami (proper or Miami Beach) is on par with any other large metro area (excluding NYC and SF of course). This coupled with the lower salaries makes moving to Miami a tough sell.
- saltyknuckles 13y agoAlso a local resident here. I have to agree the pay here sucks makes it tough to even want to be here.
- hawkharris 13y agoGainesville, FL, is the best spot for young tech entrepreneurs IMO. Much cheaper than Miami, very little traffic and crime, bike friendly, tons of startups. Gainesville is the Silicon Valley of FL, but with a more laid back and unpretentious atmosphere.
- killahpriest 13y agoThe only thing in Gainesville is students and the ecosystem to serve them. Oh, and trees.
- cowpewter 13y agoThat's slowly changing. And trees are awesome.
- hawkharris 13y agoYou should do some more research. I think you'll discover some interesting companies.
- djmollusk 13y agoI'm a little surprised Latinas wasn't on the list actually.
- gubatron 13y agothey can be both a pro and a con, so much drama and control attached to latinas. source: personal experience.
- homakov 13y agoWhy live in amerika when we have asia?
- MattsterToo 13y agoSo the piece on Miami started by saying that there is no income tax. It's true. And there's also very little of the things that get paid for by income taxes in other states. Like decent public education. Which might be fine for twenty-something web developers just looking for a life of self-gratification and night clubbing. But as a place to raise a family and/or attract qualified (educated) employees from other regions, maybe not so much.
- auston 13y agoI feel compelled to defend myself as I don't live "a life of self-gratification and night clubbing" & your generalizations / stereotyping have hurt my feelings. 1. I went to not one, but two blue ribbon schools growing up, in a city where the income per capita is $25k/yr. It wasn't in Miami but it was in South Florida. 2. I volunteer regularly, donate regularly & I'm vegetarian. Hardly the life of a self-gratifying heathen. 3. Our interns at 1Sale.com have come in from Dartmouth & we've received applications from kids that are at Stanford. There are MIT grads at startups down here too (don't want to put anyones name out who doesn't want). If I was seeking self-gratification I'd be out every night drinking & partying, not in my office working on features for customers or optimizing processes for the company. I really didn't appreciate the personal jab, MattsterToo.
- mathattack 13y agoI love Miami. Lots of great reasons to be there. But man I hate the pompous "and why you should too."
- 3Ddude 13y agoThe grass is not always greener on the other side. Having been all over the country, FL has its pros and cons like anyplace else. FL is not that cheap anymore. Car insurance and home insurance are a fortune, some of the highest in the country. You also have to drive everywhere. Traffic in Miami is downright brutal both weekday and weekend. Plus, you have a lot of immigrants that do not know how to drive. If you like to ride motorcycles, dont. The work ethic in Florida is probably one of the worst in the country. In NY and Cali it would take about 10-15 interviews to find a relatively qualified candidate. In FL it is roughly 1:25-30 candidates. Mostly because of DUI felonies or drug test failures. Miami is the gateway to South America and other 3rd world countries so if you do not like Spanish culture don't bother. As a white person, you are a minority in South FL. Crime in Miami is some of the highest in the country and having a CCW permit is the norm, not the exception. FL is still very much the wild wild west. South FL has a great scene for artists, graphic designers and retailers but still have a very hard time attracting exceptional programmers due to the hot weather and low salaries. If you have children do not bother with the public schools, you will have to go private. FL is a great place for a startup due to the lack of taxes and cheap labor available. However, if you are not a principal of the company go elsewhere. Also, if you are dealing with a person or company and do not put anything in writing...RUN. In NY and CA people are very upfront and comfortable with contracts. Not so in FL. If you say the word contract they look at you like you offended them. FL has the Homestead Act and because of that you get a lot of the felons and riff raff who move to FL to start again and pump the money into their homes. Very shady environment. Talent sticks with other talent and success leaves footprints. There are a lot of other great places to work, live and build a business.
- legohead 13y agoAlmost all those things in his post can be made about CA as well. In southern CA, not only do you get great year round weather, but if you want to go skiing it's just a couple hours drive. We moved to CA for our family. We lived in the midwest, and there just wasn't much to do. There are endless things to do out here. I imagine Miami is about the same in that regard. One thing I think he left out is the political standings. I came from a blood red state. My way of thinking is more in line with a blue state. It is so much nicer to be around people who think similar to you. As for the taxes, yeah that's a pretty tasty difference. But I got to have my skiing & mountains :)
- kyleblarson 13y agoMy takeaway from most of these "why I moved to X" stories is generally not "wow, that seems like a great place to live", but rather "living in SF or NY sucks". (I happen to live in a town of about 200 people in the mountains of Washington State and couldn't be happier)
- glasz 13y agosame here. don't know why everybody loves berlin so much. 200 ppl in the mountains of washington sounds so much more relaxed.
- glasz 13y agonative german from boring berlin. just fascinated by the stories here in the comments -.-
- blisterpeanuts 13y agoAuston, what is it about your blog that it won't pinch-zoom on my iPad in either Chrome or Safari? Is there an HTML5 directive that can turn off pinch-zoom? I tried "request desktop site" but it didn't make any difference. It resizes fine on desktop Chrome. Regarding Florida... a vast, beautiful and diverse region with massive immigration that has propelled it to #4 in population (and closing in on #3 New York). I fell in love with the place when my family visited cousins in Ft. Lauderdale. Interesting to read about Silicon Valley and SF versus New York versus Miami and other urban centers. I wonder whether it's still advantageous in this day and age to spend the extra bucks and be in a hotspot of entrepreneurial activity. The online networking forums dwarf the old computer clubs and networking gatherings of yore. Granted, there's still nothing like face to face for getting "chemistry" about someone, but is it worth spending an extra $200,000 for a house and an extra $25,000 a year in taxes? (actually these numbers are probably understated, depending on where you are) Your blog describes the lifestyle preferences of a young, single person. Having a family changes everything and suddenly schools and stability of neighborhoods become much more important than diversity of cuisine (and once you have a kid, your restaurant fund is diverted to diapers anyway). From that perspective, I would think that southern Florida wins hands down over, say, San Francisco or Manhattan which are prohibitively expensive for raising families. I mean, people do it, but damn. It's not like when my mother was growing up in Brooklyn in the 1930s and 40s and millions of families lived in the City, and millions of families bought modest homes all up and down the California coast. And Miami was a quiet city you went for two weeks in the wintertime.
- spiralganglion 13y agoDisabling pinch-zooming can be done by placing the following tag in the <head>: <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width; initial-scale=1.0; maximum-scale=1.0;">
- SonicSoul 13y agoi went to college in central florida, and now reside in NYC paying $2800 for a small studio. it's been nearly a decade of putting up with expensive rent, lines, loud headache inducing noises everywhere, occasional first encounter with a rat on sidewalk, and yet, no plans to move out. some reasons to to like nyc: it's no Tokyo, but it's actually pretty big. each neighborhood has its own vibe, and there are dozens of those in manhattan alone. The food is simply unbeatable. 2000 restaurants at any given time with new ones opening up every week. I'm having a hard time visiting all the good restaurants in my neighborhood alone. it's not too big where there is still a neighborhood feel (i'm super friendly with small business owners and personnel in local shops, my neighbors). in my experience [majority of] people have been very nice and open. i keep meeting people from all over the world every weekend. i have friends that are starting and running businesses that give me energy to go on. shit ton of good jobs. models. rich history on every block.. great for photography hobby, looks awesome in winter with all the snow.. looks awesome in the fall with all the leaves.. looks awesome in the spring with blooming spring blossoms.. easy to meet intellectual people.. models. lots of healthy living options, some nyc areas have turned into shopping malls, but the city still has an edge. to name a few.. i love going to miami to relax and party, but can't imagine actually living there. possibly when i'm ready to "slow down" whatever that means?
- Lucy_karpova 13y agoGreat article that proves: living in NY and SF is so many times cooler than in Miami that a person needs to write an Article on how good it is to live in Florida to welcome guys to open vacancies. Epic way to hire people, but I’m sure I’m the only one who’s read the Whole article, too good and too long.
- xm1994 13y agoI was pleasantly surprised to wake up to a HN post on Miami! I find the tech scene pretty miserable here but then again I've worked from home for almost 10 years and I'm terrible at networking events. So it could just be my self-imposed social prison! I live further south (Pinecrest), a little further away from our "tech hubs" in downtown and midtown. If you're in Miami and are looking for any events, Startup Digest does a good job of showing you what's happening each week: https://www.startupdigest.com/digests/miami https://www.startupdigest.com/digests/miami I'd love to meet some HN minded brethren though.. Maybe we should try and do an HN Meetup, anyone else interested? Shoot me an email.
- robmcm1982 13y agoI love when people talk about a great developer ecosystem in their city of choice. It just rubs it in for how weak it is in Philadelphia.
- chrisgd 13y agoNashville, my friends. No state income tax in Tennessee either. One of the fastest growing cities and the center of health care services in the US, with HCIT not far behind.
- coingig 13y agoIf anyone is interested in joining our growing bitcoin group in Miami, you can join us here https://www.facebook.com/groups/MiamiInternationalBitcoin/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/MiamiInternationalBitcoin/
- Expat2009 13y agoMiami is a complete shithole...grew up there and lived there 15 years. Now living in a major western european city for 4 years and almost everything about europe blows the states out of the water
- turar 13y agoCare to expand? What about taxes?
- saltyknuckles 13y agoThis guy was definitely lucky to find a well paying job. I grew up here and haven't been able to find a proper paying job. No competition for salary over here, leaves me very underpaid. All the nice areas in Miami require a higher salary that most companies here aren't willing to pay. A lot of assholes here also, get used to people staring at you in your car or on the street. The women are the hottest I've seen in any state. Most people here are so into fitness that its hard not to want to look good and take care of yourself.
- jksmith 13y agoWell having spent a lot of time in both places, I must say I really dig Miami. It's the right mix of laid back and intensity for me, and San Fran summers are too cold. Plus, my Don Johnson outfits don't fit in nearly as well in SF.