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Even if you were born and raised in America, you're not truly American unless you're white. Until then, prepare to be accosted at immigration.

by catilac 13y ago

ojbyrne 13y ago
White and gainfully employed, I think.
- alive-or-not 13y ago
  Not really, having a few million $ is good enough.
gnoway 13y ago
Maybe, but the events in this article are bad enough on their own, there is no need to inject a racial element into the discussion.
- catilac 13y ago
  No, I think there is a need. If the definition of what it is to be American is warped, specifically, that it takes more than citizenship to be welcomed home, then that should come into the discussion of these cases of mistreated foreigners.
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  - gnoway 13y ago
    OK, but I read this as "oh that's nothing, we even mistreat our own." I think you're effectively minimizing this man's experience with an unfounded (?? maybe just my ignorance) comment about racial profiling.
    - catilac 13y ago
      Ah, that makes sense. You're right, I'm probably bringing in the wrong points relative to his experience. However, I just feel that his experience opens up a higher level discussion of America's (poor?) implementation of border patrol. Also, in terms of unfounded comments. There is a chance you haven't read this: http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-during-ramadan http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-... Race is always complex, especially because racism illegal. It becomes a subtle and hard to describe thing. Maybe "random search" is a good way to describe it. Ultimately, it makes me feel like I'm being delusional. I hope I am.
      - MichaelGG 13y ago
        That story is about the TSA and local police, not the CBP. Very different. Also, a US Citizen returning to the US does not have to answer any questions (apart from the written customs declaration) and cannot be denied re-entry to the US. (Although, as always, agents may abuse people.)

Even if you were born and raised in America, you're not truly American unless you're white. Until then, prepare to be accosted at immigration.

by catilac 13y ago

Even if you were born and raised in America, you're not truly American unless you're white. Until then, prepare to be accosted at immigration.

ojbyrne 13y ago

White and gainfully employed, I think.

alive-or-not 13y ago
Not really, having a few million $ is good enough.

gnoway 13y ago

Maybe, but the events in this article are bad enough on their own, there is no need to inject a racial element into the discussion.

catilac 13y ago
No, I think there is a need. If the definition of what it is to be American is warped, specifically, that it takes more than citizenship to be welcomed home, then that should come into the discussion of these cases of mistreated foreigners.
- deleted 13y ago
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- gnoway 13y ago
  OK, but I read this as "oh that's nothing, we even mistreat our own." I think you're effectively minimizing this man's experience with an unfounded (?? maybe just my ignorance) comment about racial profiling.
  - catilac 13y ago
    Ah, that makes sense. You're right, I'm probably bringing in the wrong points relative to his experience. However, I just feel that his experience opens up a higher level discussion of America's (poor?) implementation of border patrol. Also, in terms of unfounded comments. There is a chance you haven't read this: http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-during-ramadan http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-... Race is always complex, especially because racism illegal. It becomes a subtle and hard to describe thing. Maybe "random search" is a good way to describe it. Ultimately, it makes me feel like I'm being delusional. I hope I am.
    - MichaelGG 13y ago
      That story is about the TSA and local police, not the CBP. Very different. Also, a US Citizen returning to the US does not have to answer any questions (apart from the written customs declaration) and cannot be denied re-entry to the US. (Although, as always, agents may abuse people.)