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That doesn't seem like the right interpretation. They asked for this because Lavabit was unable, or possibly unwilling, to turn over Snowden's records, and impe

by n09n 13y ago

That doesn't seem like the right interpretation. They asked for this because Lavabit was unable, or possibly unwilling, to turn over Snowden's records, and impersonating Lavabit the next time he tried to check his email would have been the only way to get that info. So yes, if your shopping list can't be recovered without your private SSL keys, they will take those when they have a warrant for your shopping list.

benregenspan 13y ago
According to the New Yorker piece on Lavabit yesterday (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/how-lavabit-edward-snowden-email-service-melted-down.html http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/how-l...), the owner was willing to add code tailored to tracing only Snowden's (or whoever it belonged to) account. The FBI turned him down and demanded the less surgical option.
- wbl 13y ago
  Only after he refused to do it initially. Read the case file: it's not hard and has a lot of detail reporters miss.
- MustBeAShill 13y ago
  ...and a solution that would fail to preserve the chain of evidence. If there's a black box at any point, e.g. Levison produces information and emails it to the investigating officers, the doctrine of "fruit of the poisoned tree" applies.
  - joe_the_user 13y ago
    Yeah you are shill, actually If the government needs to preserve the chain of evidence by controlling every step of information flow in every criminal case, well clearly the government needs to ... sniff/control/spy-on the entire Internet. Whatda-ya-know...
  - dllthomas 13y ago
    It's a disruption of the chain of evidence, but my understanding is that "fruit of the poisonous tree" is something different: evidence gathered because of information the police should not have had access to.
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    By that logic, doesn't Lavabit itself, or the entire SMTP system, serve as a black box? It's really not any different from the intercept features in telecommunications equipment.

by n09n 13y ago

benregenspan 13y ago

According to the New Yorker piece on Lavabit yesterday (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/how-lavabit-edward-snowden-email-service-melted-down.html http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/10/how-l...), the owner was willing to add code tailored to tracing only Snowden's (or whoever it belonged to) account. The FBI turned him down and demanded the less surgical option.

wbl 13y ago
Only after he refused to do it initially. Read the case file: it's not hard and has a lot of detail reporters miss.
MustBeAShill 13y ago
...and a solution that would fail to preserve the chain of evidence. If there's a black box at any point, e.g. Levison produces information and emails it to the investigating officers, the doctrine of "fruit of the poisoned tree" applies.
- joe_the_user 13y ago
  Yeah you are shill, actually If the government needs to preserve the chain of evidence by controlling every step of information flow in every criminal case, well clearly the government needs to ... sniff/control/spy-on the entire Internet. Whatda-ya-know...
- dllthomas 13y ago
  It's a disruption of the chain of evidence, but my understanding is that "fruit of the poisonous tree" is something different: evidence gathered because of information the police should not have had access to.
- nitrogen 13y ago
  By that logic, doesn't Lavabit itself, or the entire SMTP system, serve as a black box? It's really not any different from the intercept features in telecommunications equipment.