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HP Chromebook 11

211 points by stuartmemo 13y ago

gugol 13y ago
Put a retina display on it, make the screen frame shorter, 4 GB of RAM and >32 GB of space and you have something near perfect. Edit: Oh and a backlight keyboard...
ihsw 13y ago
Only available in the UK and US. How unfortunate. Following the link for the US to Amazon, the HP Chromebook is nowhere to be seen on the resulting page. http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=2858603011 http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=2858603011
- paulbennett 13y ago
  The UK link is possibly even worse! http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chromebook-1460-commercial.html http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chromebook-1460-commercial.htm...
- j0hnb 13y ago
  It's there just on the see more models page. http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-11-1101us/dp/B00FJXVRM8/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1381240575&sr=1-14 http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-11-11... The price is listed as $385 which is far from the google stated $279
  - personalcompute 13y ago
    It's $233.89 according to that Amazon link, the $385 is crossed out. Edit: The price has dramatically changed since both of us viewed the page. My comment is no longer valid. The current 7:50AM PST 10/8/13 price is $279.99.
mellamoyo 13y ago
Took me awhile for find - but full specs: Full specs Screen * 11.6" display with 16:9 aspect ratio (IPS Panel) * 1366 x 768 * 60% Color Gamut * 300 nit screen * Wide viewing angle (176 degree) Inputs * Chrome keyboard * Fine-tuned, clickable touchpad * VGA Webcam Ports * 2 x USB 2.0 * Micro-SIM slot (3G and 4G/LTE model only) * Micro USB for 15.75W charging and SlimPort video out Industrial design * Magnesium chassis for strength * Available in black or white with a choice of 4 accent colors * Silent, fanless design * No visible screws, vents, or speakers Size * 297 x 192 x 17.6 mm Weight * 2.3lb / 1.04kg CPU * Exynos 5250 GAIA Application Processor Memory * 2GB (4x 4Gbit) DDR3 RAM * 16GB Solid State Drive1 Audio * Combined headphone / microphone jack * Digitally-tuned speakers with sound ported up through the keyboard Battery * Up to 6 hours of active use (30 Wh battery)2 Network * Dual-band WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n * Bluetooth® 4.0 * Verizon LTE connectivity (optional and coming soon) Goodies * 100 GB Google Drive cloud storage, free for two years3 * 60-day free trial with Google Play Music All Access, and $9.99/month pricing after that4 * 12 free sessions of GoGo® Inflight Internet5 http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/hp-chromebook-11/#full-specs-content http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/hp-chromebook-1...
- rplnt 13y ago
  The link doesn't work for me. It's in the "For a closer look" section, last "button"
- joezydeco 13y ago
  Exynos 5250 GAIA Application Processor Isn't this the same dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 that was in Samsung's Chromebook last year?
  - trsohmers 13y ago
    Indeed it is. This is a horrible time to buy this... Assuming Samsung's new Series 3 ARM Chromebook (Rumored Exynos 5420... "Eight core" CPU+Mali T628) keeps the same price this year ($250), then HP's model is left in the dust. No one should be buying a new Nexus 4, 10, or Chromebook until mid november if they want to have a cutting edge device.
tbassetto 13y ago
Wow, it uses a micro USB charger.
- Khao 13y ago
  I think it's one of the best selling point for that Chromebook so far! It's so annoying to have to carry an extra power supply for a tiny portable laptop like the previous generation Chromebooks.
- bergie 13y ago
  That is awesome (though may make charging slow). I hate carrying multiple different chargers around.
  - freehunter 13y ago
    I have a ThinkPad Tablet 2 that charges over microUSB and it's very slow. 6 hours from the USB vs 2 hours from the charger on the docking station.
  - bluedino 13y ago
    You're assuming someone has micro-USB devices and a charger already. If you have an iPhone/iPad you might not. If Apple ever comes out with a MacBook Air powered by ARM they better use the Lightning connector.
- joefarish 13y ago
  Yeah that looks awesome - just get a folding plug and then no more bulky chargers! https://www.themu.co.uk https://www.themu.co.uk
- oftenwrong 13y ago
  Killer feature for travel. Not only is this thing extremely light (lighter than the small air and zenbook), but you can save weight and space with a small usb charger and cable. Even if it is slower, that is a decent trade-off. I wonder if you can charge devices from the USB ports. With that and the fanless design, IPS display, etc. This is looking pretty good. If could run a "real" linux distro without the hacks, it would be awesome. EDIT: Although it has very few ports (no ethernet, HDMI) and a glossy screen, so that sucks
seiji 13y ago
Initial impressions (probably all negative): What's the deal with "Just because it looks cool?" A 640x480 webcam in 2013 seems kinda sad (people have become obsessed with video chats these days, quality matters). Using stylized curse words in the copy? Childish. The font on the page is way too small—people have big screens and bad eyes (plus, lots of words/details/reading trying to figure out what/why this things exists). What's the advantage of this thing over a tablet with an external keyboard?
- Zlatty 13y ago
  Tablet + keyboard price > chromebook 11's price This laptop could be a gateway for kids as they need a entry device that parents can afford.
- dnissley 13y ago
  > What's the advantage of this thing over a tablet with an external keyboard? Am I the only one who sits on a couch anymore? There's no way I'm juggling a tablet, something to prop it upright with, and a bluetooth keyboard in my lap all at once.
alrs 13y ago
Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening to iOS. edit: Note that I said "marketshare." I'm not wishing bankruptcy on Apple and Microsoft. It would be a weird desire.
- stinos 13y ago
  Why exactly do you hope those two go broke in favour of Google? Or is that not the intent of your writing?
- harigov 13y ago
  why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?
  - mapleoin 13y ago
    Freedom.
    - Robby2012 13y ago
      Do you really think you're going to get freedom from Google?
    - ff10 13y ago
      The freedom to not choose between a multitude of operating systems?
    - S4M 13y ago
      Dude, I'd fear much more Google controlling the OS market than Apple or Microsoft, even though I am not found of them, far from it.
    - untog 13y ago
      And Chrome OS represents freedom now?
    - sz4kerto 13y ago
vincentkriek 13y ago
I like the fact it uses a microusb charger but they removed all the other ports I wanted, like HDMI, Ethernet, VGA and sd. I was planning on getting an Acer C7 and this won't change that.
- ZeroGravitas 13y ago
  The micro usb is slimport enabled, which should in theory be able to give you HDMI, VGA, DVI and DisplayPort via a dongle. In a similar vein I'd guess you can get ethernet and SD card adaptors via the full size USB.
jl00080 13y ago
serious work=>Laptop, casual work=>tablet, ? => chromebook
- prezjordan 13y ago
  Cheap linux notebook => chromebook
- crazcarl 13y ago
  What sort of casual work would be better on a tablet than on the chromebook? Answering emails would be better with a dedicated keyboard, as would navigating in a web browser. For casual use otherwise (movies, books, angrybirds/candy crush style games), then a tablet is probably a better tool.
  - bnastic 13y ago
    Bluetooth keyboard does wonders for iPad. It's quite a comfortable environment for emails, text editing, etc. My old retina iPad did quite well as an occasional SSH terminal.
- davidw 13y ago
  I can't do anything more than 'consume content' with a tablet; not without adding an external keyboard, at which point you're basically creating your own chromebook type thing anyway. Recently I got the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu, and that actually reduces my tablet usage a lot: when reading with a tablet, on, say, a site such as this one, I invariably end up wanting to reply but loathing/dreading the thought of typing stuff in on the screen which is S....L....O...........W. With the new computer, which is more comfortable and portable than what I had before, I can just use a real computer rather than the tablet.
- Khao 13y ago
  I have a chromebook at home and it has replaced my "serious" laptop almost entirely. Everything I do at home other than games can be done on the chromebook and it's so light and fast to boot I don't bother even opening a browser on my big laptop. Everything done in the browser gets done on my chromebook and only when I want to play games / use windows-only software do I boot up my other laptop.
untog 13y ago
These things are getting increasingly more tempting. I'm actually in the market for something to give my parents, but I actually think an 11" screen is too small for them. 13" might be more like it, but in all honesty they probably still need a 15" machine. But I'm getting increasingly close to picking up one of these just for the hell of it.
- sneak 13y ago
  My dad loves his Chromebook. TBH he's older and gets confused pretty easily and I don't think I'd trust him to keep even a Mac free of malware. It's basically only either a thin client or an iPad, and we already FaceTime on his iPhone, so dropping the Apple Tax on another iOS device (that doesn't come with a keyboard) doesn't make sense when Chromebooks are so cheap.
  - AlexDanger 13y ago
    I'm also considering a Chromebook for my dad. He's quite computer literate but not really happy with his Win8 laptop. A Chromebook would serve all his writing/email/browsing needs, but the only question I have is about USB peripherals - can you plug your digital camera in and have it pop up with all the pictures? And then a nice easy workflow to upload to google drive? Also I presume it doesnt play nice with iPhones?
    - sneak 13y ago
      I don't buy digital cameras for old people that aren't cellphones.
- jfrm 13y ago
  https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.html#hp-cb-14 https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.ht...
- zobzu 13y ago
  I think the low end chromebooks are very diff from the high end. the one linked here is basically a netbook that doesn't run windows but chromeos instead (ie you can only use chrome stuff). 4GB of ram and 16GB of ssd, low rez, slow cpu, it's pretty crappy ;-) The high end has good specs - even thus it runs chrome os, at least, it'd make sense to convert it to windows or linux if chrome os was too limited. It's also a lot faster.
rplnt 13y ago
> For everyone. > Buy now > US or UK?
- ludoo 13y ago
  Exactly. I know Google's market is primarily the US, but people in the rest of the world mostly read the same news, and get excited about the same products, but then they are unable to get them. Which is kind of depressing.
abrowne 13y ago
Looks like a glossy screen :-(
Newky 13y ago
This is interesting timing, as I am really considering purchasing a chromebook. There are a few things that I am still curious about: 1. does netflix work ? I know that there was some chromebooks that it did not work on. 2. Any one have any experience with playing flash videos? 3. If linux is put onto it using crouton or similar, is it a severly limit set of packages due to the architecture or does it run quiet well. I want a very casual system that I can occasionally use for some writing/coding. I also have a VPS which I would ssh into for most (if not all) coding.
- Khao 13y ago
  I was in the US last month and went into a best buy to test out the latest Samsung Chromebook (using a similir ARM-based chip that the HP Chromebook 11 does) and I was surprised to find out that Flash worked incredibly well on it! I own one of the first intel-based chromebooks (also from Samsung, I don't remember the exact model name) and Flash is choppy, but on the new ARM-based chromebooks, it's great! And also, Netflix announced a couple months ago that they were planning on releasing an ARM-compatible chrome extension for Chromebooks. I don't know if it has been released or not yet, as it isn't compatible with my chromebook I think.
- cbhl 13y ago
  Netflix was enabled on the Samsung Chromebook last year thanks to EME (the HTML5 DRM stuff that was on the front page a few days ago) but sites like Hulu still might not work. I suspect that this device will work just as well, since the chipset is the same. Flash works because Google maintains a NaCl version of Flash for Linux and ARM, but it's closed source and requires staying inside Chrome OS. If you install e.g. Ubuntu you won't be able to use Flash on Chromium on the same hardware.
jbellis 13y ago
Is the difference between this and the $250 Samsung chromebook basically just the case? Same resolution, same amount of RAM, same tiny SSD.
- jbellis 13y ago
  To answer my question, apparently the viewing angles are a lot more forgiving on the HP screen.
dagman 13y ago
Looks very similar to the old plastic MacBook. And 60% Color Gamut? 60% of what? NTSC? sRGB? Adobe RGB?
- teamonkey 13y ago
  > Looks very similar to the old plastic MacBook. Not a bad thing, IMO.
  - dagman 13y ago
    Agreed, it was a very pretty design.
grrowl 13y ago
6 hours battery life? Where's the tradeoff happening? A restricted device should give me something in return for this restriction.
- ihsw 13y ago
  A modestly-sized IPS screen.
jpswade 13y ago
Never mind this. When will the UK get Chromecast?
- sciwiz 13y ago
  Check today's Amazon announcement, they are shipping to UK.
  - jpswade 13y ago
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DR0PDNE http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DR0PDNE £59.99 = 96.47 US Dollar Sold by Sinclair Intl and Fulfilled by Amazon. Nothing about that sounds right.
- fdr_cs 13y ago
  It seems that amazon is shipping chromecasts to UK . Give it a try
aperture 13y ago
Woah, this is the kind of developing book I'd like: 6 hrs battery life IPS viewing display (without 1080p!) Mirousb universal charging cable 11 inch portability, weighing only 2lbs. I have the acer c7 chromebook, and am really fustrated I can't simply trade it in for this chromebook. It really is one of the most appealing deals. HN has also recently been talking about crouton, which I found very usable. The biggest issues I see in this is 2.0 usb and that non-celeron processor. For anybody considering developing on a chromebook, this looks like one of the most efficient chromebooks for you. A shame it doens't have a celeron though... (Side note. I await installation for that IPS onto the acer. I may not be able to turn in the acer c7 for the hp, but if I can get ahold of that 11 inch IPS, I'm game for that :)
- trsohmers 13y ago
  Why would you want an Intel chip in here? Would you rather get worse performance with half of the battery life? The only reason I can imagine is for installing linux and having the endless number of x86 precompiled applications. Even if that is the case, Ubuntu's ARM repositories have grown tremendously and ARM support is getting significantly better every kernel release. Plus, anything that isn't precompiled, you can always build yourself.
  - aperture 13y ago
    That's precisely it: for developing 32 bit applications. As it stands, I have many computers that could benefit from me programming a 32 bit application, but only my rpi could benefit (and my cell phone, I suppose) with the ARM builds. 32 bit is also helpful for me because I have some 32-bit IDE (like the naobot from Aldebaran IDE). It is simply easier for me to develop and configure.
    - sspiff 13y ago
      Both Intel and ARM can work well in 32-bit, I don't see your point. On the contrary, if you're so hung up on the word size of your processor, ARM is a better fit than x86, since the latter is often running a 64-bit OS these days. Are you mixing 32-bit and x86 in your comment?
omgmog 13y ago
Would be interesting to give one of these a go as my daily driver, getting sick of lugging around a heavy 2011 Macbook Pro! I wonder what the options are like out of the box for development, or if this will work http://afaqdar.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/5-different-chromebook-developer-setups.html http://afaqdar.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/5-different-chromebook...
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dataminded 13y ago
Does '2GB (4x 4Gbit) DDR3 RAM' mean that it can grow to 16gb of ram? Under those conditions I would seriously consider getting it and running crouton.
- ZeroGravitas 13y ago
  bit vs Byte, 16Gbit = 2GB
  - dataminded 13y ago
    Thanks. That missing y made all the difference. I will wait until I see what upgrades are possible before buying one.
- dagw 13y ago
  4*4Gbit=16Gbit=2GB. Basically it has one RAM module made up of four 4 Gbit chips. Someone just copy and pasted the technical spec sheet for the RAM module.
- duskwuff 13y ago
  Remember that it's an ARM device. The memory is soldered to the motherboard, and in any case it couldn't possibly address more than 4 GB of it anyway.
josefresco 13y ago
Awesome little machine but this brings up questions for me: 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? It would seem from recent consumer buying trends that most prefer a touch screen/tablet form factor at this price point/screen size. 2. How does this compare to an Android tablet (Nexus 10) with a high quality keyboard? Or even some of the "transformer" products with keyboards/additional ports already available? It seems you pay quite a premium for touch, I wonder if this machine will help sway people back into this form factor without touch/tablet mode.
- Touche 13y ago
  > 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Yes. > Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? No, Chromebooks have been successful.
  - josefresco 13y ago
    While I appreciate your response, I would love to see some actual data to back up your conclusions.
    - bryanlarsen 13y ago
      http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108 http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Lap...
      - ScrumMistress 13y ago
        Top of Amazon doesn't really mean much. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-dominates-amazons-best-seller-chart/ http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-do... Here's some analysis based on browsing data usage which shows sales were worse than Windows RT. http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-chromebooks-are-struggling-7000014102/ http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-... If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers?
Kiro 13y ago
OT but how is the animation under "For a closer look" done when you change between the sides?
fidotron 13y ago
This thing being blatantly aimed at the education market, Google really need to do the unthinkable and let people host their own server backends to support these devices, otherwise they're simply data sucking machines. That their own educational programming environment runs on a RaspPi and can't be hosted on a Chromebook speaks volumes. And I have a Chromebook, which I'll freely admit is brilliant for many things, but they're always going to be slightly useless until running server apps on them is supported out of the box. The whole thing is remarkably similar to the model Acorn, Sun and Oracle were aiming for with the NC back in the 90s.
- stcredzero 13y ago
  The network computer lives. (Too late to benefit Sun.)
- thrownaway2424 13y ago
  Huh? It's a web browser. Anyone can "host their own server backends" to whatever extent they desire.
  - fidotron 13y ago
    Not quite - they're very dependent on your Google account, which is the login. You can't run servers on the devices themselves, without something like crouton. They also miss features like Bonjour interoperability to make local service discovery just painful enough to force you into the cloud. The result of this is when you are away from the Internet, which happens way more often than a lot of people seem to believe, they become utterly useless. The problem with Chrome OS is Google's larger strategic objectives are guiding their product direction. It seems like Android only became what it did thanks to Apple effectively forcing their hands, but as it stands Android on the same devices would be enormously more useful.
    - thrownaway2424 13y ago
      I guess that's true. It would be neat if they had pluggable identity providers. On the other hand I don't want to run my own. I prefer Google's.
lrizzo 13y ago
I really wish i could find a use for the chromebooks for my family, but i failed. This one seems similar to the samsung chromebook, which i tried for a while (also lending it to mother, sister, children) but we all found it basically useless for any everyday task. Surely one can blame the ecosystem; but still the conclusion does not change, and as a comparison, tablets and phones had a more successful approach at adapting or modifying the ecosystem and become usable. You cannot use an arm chromebook as laptop because of lack of storage, applications, limited options to connect peripherals (no drivers for anything except storage). No way to print that occasional document or boarding pass (unless you have another computer or perhaps network enabled printer); no way to scan a document. The samsung had an SD slot (this one does not); but you could not show videos from your camera because of unavailable codecs (and no way to install them, despite plenty of android apps for arm that play the same formats). Casual browsing also fails a lot because of unsupported codecs (flash, silverlight); a lot of chrome extensions do not work for arm. Apps, almost non existing. Compared to a tablet, you get a keyboard and the ability to display multiple windows on screen; but in exchange you lose almost every other sensor or peripheral (accelerometer, gps, camera, light) which make the device useful. Now if there were at least a sandbox to run android apps, one could (temporarily ?) address the lack of applications.
- rsheridan6 13y ago
  I had the exact opposite experience - our chromebook is used all the time while or tablet collects dust. Having a real keyboard is a big advantage. The features you list that a tablet has that the chromebook doesn't are all on our phones anyway.
- ja27 13y ago
  We'll probably take the plunge and get one for someone in the family when the next wave come out. Most of our documents are in Dropbox, Skydrive, Google Docs, etc. We also have a RaspberryPi and PogoPlug serving up plenty of local network storage. The only printer we use now is an all-in-one with wifi and support for Apple AirPrint and Google Cloud Print. Scanning from it is a little trickier but it can also scan right to an SD card from the printer panel. I can't think of the last time anyone else in my family attached a USB peripheral other than a mouse or storage.
snarfy 13y ago
11.6" display with 16:9 aspect ratio (IPS Panel) 1366 x 768 Meh.
- squidi 13y ago
  I hoped that with products like the iPad and Chromebook Pixel we'd get back to taller screens again, at least 16:10. 1366 x 768 is not something I want to go back to.
- bluedino 13y ago
  For all the hype it gets about being an ideal 'developer' machine, the screen resolution makes me laugh the most.
  - cedias 13y ago
    I totally agree. I own a Samsung Chromebook and even if i'm able to get a lot of work done with it and that it's absolutely a blessing to carry around (i'm a CS student) the screen isn't suited for long work session unless you want to go blind...
mrbill 13y ago
Ordered. I absolutely love my ARM-based Chromebook, and have wished for the same specs with a bit better construction and build quality. This is absolutely perfect for my needs, and the keyboard looks to be marginally better as well. I've hardly touched my MB Air (2012 refurb) since I got the Chromebook. Small and light enough to throw in any bag/backpack without care, cheap enough to not worry about theft. I don't mind it being the same CPU and RAM specs as the original; I don't need much for the Chrome browser and a SSH session to the beefy server where I do most of my work. Also owned the C7 Chromebook for a while; upgraded it to SSD and 8G of RAM, but it felt like an abomination with the fans, heat it put out, etc. Sold it to a friend, who absolutely loves it.
- curiousDog 13y ago
  Just curious, what are your use cases with it? I've been considering one as a cheap Linux dev box but it seems like installing a second OS is a pain and that there's little to no HD space left after doing so. I've been eyeing a Sony laptop that costs ~$370 bit it is quite bulky.
  - blinkingled 13y ago
    Seems like your best bet would be an Intel Chromebook like the Acer C7 - you can easily swap the SSD with bigger one, add RAM and install XFCE/Unity using one of the many options. It has fans though and you will notice those! And the battery life isn't stellar. But at least it is cheap and relatively light weight and comes with USB ports.
    - InTheSwiss 13y ago
      The Acer C720 actually looks quite nice although AFAICT you still can't wipe and install your own OS? You have to use the same methods as we currently have like crouton.
      - blinkingled 13y ago
        That's right. Something to do with the different type of firmware used in the Chromebooks you couldn't install Windows on them. XFCE on ChromeOS is as close as you'll get.
cbhl 13y ago
The thing I love about this device is that it charges off a micro-USB port -- buying a spare charger for my Samsung Chromebook was an expensive ordeal.
devx 13y ago
Strange that Samsung hasn't released their new ARM Chromebook yet, but this looks pretty good either way. I would've expected a quad core A15, bigger battery, and 4 GB of RAM at this point, though, for that price. Hopefully next year we can see some 1080p IPS panels, in there, too, for sub $300.
mcintyre1994 13y ago
Has anybody used Evernote on Chrome OS at all? I see so many people in lectures with a Macbook solely to use Evernote, and I can see why - it's great for notes on that platform at least. I don't want to take my laptop because it's too heavy and slow, but this (or some other Chrome OS device) looks great if Evernote does well on it - student price, light and fast.
- agladlad 13y ago
  I find Evernote's web interface has 99% of the features I use in the thick client, but YMMV.
- k-mcgrady 13y ago
  Evernote has a web version www.evernote.com. Works on all platforms.
guiomie 13y ago
can you do developement without pain on those?
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  You will cause no pain to Google by developing on these.
  - guiomie 13y ago
    Not sure to understand ...
netcan 13y ago
I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine. Skype. Fill out this (Word) form and email it back to me. I really want android/ios-like (ideally iOS simplicity with chromebook prices/hardware) computers to come out and solve computing for the many many people poorly served by cheap clunky windows laptops.
- omni 13y ago
  Skype has a competitor called Google Hangouts that works just fine in the browser. Word has a competitor called Google Docs that works just fine in the browser. Desktop-only apps need to adapt or get left behind.
  - jmduke 13y ago
    There are a great number of non-trivial use cases for which Google Docs is inferior compared to Word.
    - eddiedunn 13y ago
      A number? What are these exactly? I keep hearing people say this, but I can't think of any reasons where I would really need MS Office. I haven't used Word since Word 97, and I have never come across a use case that Open/LibreOffice, Google docs or Latex couldn't solve for me. I would imagine that the same would apply for most people. On the other hand, I remember collaborating on many reports using Google docs because that was the only application featuring decent real time multi user editing.
      - pa5tabear 13y ago
        Technical document preparation. When you're dealing with stuff like tables, graphs, footnotes, appendices... Word makes it easier. I know there's probably a way to reproduce everything in Google Docs, but it's not as easy/automatic.
taude 13y ago
For $80 more, I'd still likely consider the Asus T100 instead for my lightweight computing needs.
- element_4 13y ago
  Preorder is available on Amazon for the 64 gigabyte version.
mrbill 13y ago
FYI, this page only links to Amazon which says shipping on the 20th - but if you go to the Google Play Store and Devices, it's there in multiple colors (black, or white w/accents) and ships by the 11th.
dogber1 13y ago
The GPU is still an ARM Mali T6xx which is mostly unsupported, i.e. removing Chrome OS and running "pure" linux is going to be dreadfully slow for lack of 2D/3D acceleration. It's a shame that ARM hasn't released any technical datasheets for their Mali GPUs.
vital 13y ago
Looks fantastic, except for one thing - 11" screen on a 13" lid panel. What a waste of potentially useful space.
Dirlewanger 13y ago
Never would I use such ugly specter reminiscent of the netbook days.
shurcooL 13y ago
*100GB of free storage for two years, starting on the date you redeem the Drive offer. Some things like Hangouts, voice search and auto updates obviously require internet. Screen images simulated. Color availability may vary. I like the "obviously". :)
codezero 13y ago
Not for nothing, the thing has an 800Mhz dual core processor, which is half as fast as the Nexus 4 phone. Meh.
oscargrouch 13y ago
aka: Netbooks 2 - The mission
plg 13y ago
my problem is still that (absent paying exorbanent fees for 3G/LTE data), I still can't guarantee that I will be able to get online every time I want to use my computer.
plg 13y ago
"Tapered edges to help keep your wrists comfortable" ---> seems like a specific shot at the Macbooks Air
pm90 13y ago
How good are the trackpads? If any other vendor starts using trackpads as good as Apple's, I will switch in a heartbeat
enobrev 13y ago
I have a personal distrust towards HP products. Their customer service has always been good to me, but I've owned 3 separate HP laptops (from before and after the Compaq merger) and all three have essentially fallen apart after the first 12 - 18 months. Same goes for Toshiba (2 laptops). In comparison, every thinkpad I've owned (3) has always outlasted my need for them due to outdated specs over time.
pjmlp 13y ago
No thanks. I prefer my laptops, with my data, my native applications, on my hard disk, only accessing the Internet when I say so.
- chimeracoder 13y ago
  I agree. I love almost everything about this except that I don't control the servers on which the data is sent. If I did, though, man, they couldn't take my money fast enough.
roma1n 13y ago
Anybody has experience of developing android apps on those devices ?
scriptstar 13y ago
If you are from UK then you can buy this from pcworld, the first 30 pre-orders are also sent a 4G PAYG Mobile Wi-Fi, which sells for ~£90 on it's own. Or Use code LAPT20 to make it £209. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/chromebooks/hp-11-wifi-chromebook-white-blue-21774144-pdt.html http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/chrom... Please make this comment come on top so that people will save some money. Thanks
AsymetricCom 13y ago
I will not be purchasing my digital serfdom. I expect to be served it.

211 points by stuartmemo 13y ago

gugol 13y ago

Put a retina display on it, make the screen frame shorter, 4 GB of RAM and >32 GB of space and you have something near perfect. Edit: Oh and a backlight keyboard...

ihsw 13y ago

Only available in the UK and US. How unfortunate. Following the link for the US to Amazon, the HP Chromebook is nowhere to be seen on the resulting page. http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=2858603011 http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html?node=2858603011

paulbennett 13y ago
The UK link is possibly even worse! http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chromebook-1460-commercial.html http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/chromebook-1460-commercial.htm...
j0hnb 13y ago
It's there just on the see more models page. http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-11-1101us/dp/B00FJXVRM8/ref=sr_1_14?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1381240575&sr=1-14 http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-11-11... The price is listed as $385 which is far from the google stated $279
- personalcompute 13y ago
  It's $233.89 according to that Amazon link, the $385 is crossed out. Edit: The price has dramatically changed since both of us viewed the page. My comment is no longer valid. The current 7:50AM PST 10/8/13 price is $279.99.

mellamoyo 13y ago

Took me awhile for find - but full specs: Full specs Screen * 11.6" display with 16:9 aspect ratio (IPS Panel) * 1366 x 768 * 60% Color Gamut * 300 nit screen * Wide viewing angle (176 degree) Inputs * Chrome keyboard * Fine-tuned, clickable touchpad * VGA Webcam Ports * 2 x USB 2.0 * Micro-SIM slot (3G and 4G/LTE model only) * Micro USB for 15.75W charging and SlimPort video out Industrial design * Magnesium chassis for strength * Available in black or white with a choice of 4 accent colors * Silent, fanless design * No visible screws, vents, or speakers Size * 297 x 192 x 17.6 mm Weight * 2.3lb / 1.04kg CPU * Exynos 5250 GAIA Application Processor Memory * 2GB (4x 4Gbit) DDR3 RAM * 16GB Solid State Drive1 Audio * Combined headphone / microphone jack * Digitally-tuned speakers with sound ported up through the keyboard Battery * Up to 6 hours of active use (30 Wh battery)2 Network * Dual-band WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n * Bluetooth® 4.0 * Verizon LTE connectivity (optional and coming soon) Goodies * 100 GB Google Drive cloud storage, free for two years3 * 60-day free trial with Google Play Music All Access, and $9.99/month pricing after that4 * 12 free sessions of GoGo® Inflight Internet5 http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/hp-chromebook-11/#full-specs-content http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/hp-chromebook-1...

rplnt 13y ago
The link doesn't work for me. It's in the "For a closer look" section, last "button"
joezydeco 13y ago
Exynos 5250 GAIA Application Processor Isn't this the same dual-core ARM Cortex-A15 that was in Samsung's Chromebook last year?
- trsohmers 13y ago
  Indeed it is. This is a horrible time to buy this... Assuming Samsung's new Series 3 ARM Chromebook (Rumored Exynos 5420... "Eight core" CPU+Mali T628) keeps the same price this year ($250), then HP's model is left in the dust. No one should be buying a new Nexus 4, 10, or Chromebook until mid november if they want to have a cutting edge device.

tbassetto 13y ago

Wow, it uses a micro USB charger.

Khao 13y ago
I think it's one of the best selling point for that Chromebook so far! It's so annoying to have to carry an extra power supply for a tiny portable laptop like the previous generation Chromebooks.
bergie 13y ago
That is awesome (though may make charging slow). I hate carrying multiple different chargers around.
- freehunter 13y ago
  I have a ThinkPad Tablet 2 that charges over microUSB and it's very slow. 6 hours from the USB vs 2 hours from the charger on the docking station.
- bluedino 13y ago
  You're assuming someone has micro-USB devices and a charger already. If you have an iPhone/iPad you might not. If Apple ever comes out with a MacBook Air powered by ARM they better use the Lightning connector.
joefarish 13y ago
Yeah that looks awesome - just get a folding plug and then no more bulky chargers! https://www.themu.co.uk https://www.themu.co.uk
oftenwrong 13y ago
Killer feature for travel. Not only is this thing extremely light (lighter than the small air and zenbook), but you can save weight and space with a small usb charger and cable. Even if it is slower, that is a decent trade-off. I wonder if you can charge devices from the USB ports. With that and the fanless design, IPS display, etc. This is looking pretty good. If could run a "real" linux distro without the hacks, it would be awesome. EDIT: Although it has very few ports (no ethernet, HDMI) and a glossy screen, so that sucks

seiji 13y ago

Initial impressions (probably all negative): What's the deal with "Just because it looks cool?" A 640x480 webcam in 2013 seems kinda sad (people have become obsessed with video chats these days, quality matters). Using stylized curse words in the copy? Childish. The font on the page is way too small—people have big screens and bad eyes (plus, lots of words/details/reading trying to figure out what/why this things exists). What's the advantage of this thing over a tablet with an external keyboard?

Zlatty 13y ago
Tablet + keyboard price > chromebook 11's price This laptop could be a gateway for kids as they need a entry device that parents can afford.
dnissley 13y ago
> What's the advantage of this thing over a tablet with an external keyboard? Am I the only one who sits on a couch anymore? There's no way I'm juggling a tablet, something to prop it upright with, and a bluetooth keyboard in my lap all at once.

alrs 13y ago

Hemingway said that one goes broke "gradually, then suddenly." I hope the same thing is happening to Windows marketshare. I hope the same thing is happening to iOS. edit: Note that I said "marketshare." I'm not wishing bankruptcy on Apple and Microsoft. It would be a weird desire.

stinos 13y ago
Why exactly do you hope those two go broke in favour of Google? Or is that not the intent of your writing?
harigov 13y ago
why would you hope for something like that? what do you gain if Windows/iOS/OSX go broke?
- mapleoin 13y ago
  Freedom.
  - Robby2012 13y ago
    Do you really think you're going to get freedom from Google?
  - ff10 13y ago
    The freedom to not choose between a multitude of operating systems?
  - S4M 13y ago
    Dude, I'd fear much more Google controlling the OS market than Apple or Microsoft, even though I am not found of them, far from it.
  - untog 13y ago
    And Chrome OS represents freedom now?
  - sz4kerto 13y ago

vincentkriek 13y ago

I like the fact it uses a microusb charger but they removed all the other ports I wanted, like HDMI, Ethernet, VGA and sd. I was planning on getting an Acer C7 and this won't change that.

ZeroGravitas 13y ago
The micro usb is slimport enabled, which should in theory be able to give you HDMI, VGA, DVI and DisplayPort via a dongle. In a similar vein I'd guess you can get ethernet and SD card adaptors via the full size USB.

jl00080 13y ago

serious work=>Laptop, casual work=>tablet, ? => chromebook

prezjordan 13y ago
Cheap linux notebook => chromebook
crazcarl 13y ago
What sort of casual work would be better on a tablet than on the chromebook? Answering emails would be better with a dedicated keyboard, as would navigating in a web browser. For casual use otherwise (movies, books, angrybirds/candy crush style games), then a tablet is probably a better tool.
- bnastic 13y ago
  Bluetooth keyboard does wonders for iPad. It's quite a comfortable environment for emails, text editing, etc. My old retina iPad did quite well as an occasional SSH terminal.
davidw 13y ago
I can't do anything more than 'consume content' with a tablet; not without adding an external keyboard, at which point you're basically creating your own chromebook type thing anyway. Recently I got the Dell XPS 13 with Ubuntu, and that actually reduces my tablet usage a lot: when reading with a tablet, on, say, a site such as this one, I invariably end up wanting to reply but loathing/dreading the thought of typing stuff in on the screen which is S....L....O...........W. With the new computer, which is more comfortable and portable than what I had before, I can just use a real computer rather than the tablet.
Khao 13y ago
I have a chromebook at home and it has replaced my "serious" laptop almost entirely. Everything I do at home other than games can be done on the chromebook and it's so light and fast to boot I don't bother even opening a browser on my big laptop. Everything done in the browser gets done on my chromebook and only when I want to play games / use windows-only software do I boot up my other laptop.

untog 13y ago

These things are getting increasingly more tempting. I'm actually in the market for something to give my parents, but I actually think an 11" screen is too small for them. 13" might be more like it, but in all honesty they probably still need a 15" machine. But I'm getting increasingly close to picking up one of these just for the hell of it.

sneak 13y ago
My dad loves his Chromebook. TBH he's older and gets confused pretty easily and I don't think I'd trust him to keep even a Mac free of malware. It's basically only either a thin client or an iPad, and we already FaceTime on his iPhone, so dropping the Apple Tax on another iOS device (that doesn't come with a keyboard) doesn't make sense when Chromebooks are so cheap.
- AlexDanger 13y ago
  I'm also considering a Chromebook for my dad. He's quite computer literate but not really happy with his Win8 laptop. A Chromebook would serve all his writing/email/browsing needs, but the only question I have is about USB peripherals - can you plug your digital camera in and have it pop up with all the pictures? And then a nice easy workflow to upload to google drive? Also I presume it doesnt play nice with iPhones?
  - sneak 13y ago
    I don't buy digital cameras for old people that aren't cellphones.
jfrm 13y ago
https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.html#hp-cb-14 https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/chromebooks.ht...
zobzu 13y ago
I think the low end chromebooks are very diff from the high end. the one linked here is basically a netbook that doesn't run windows but chromeos instead (ie you can only use chrome stuff). 4GB of ram and 16GB of ssd, low rez, slow cpu, it's pretty crappy ;-) The high end has good specs - even thus it runs chrome os, at least, it'd make sense to convert it to windows or linux if chrome os was too limited. It's also a lot faster.

rplnt 13y ago

> For everyone. > Buy now > US or UK?

ludoo 13y ago
Exactly. I know Google's market is primarily the US, but people in the rest of the world mostly read the same news, and get excited about the same products, but then they are unable to get them. Which is kind of depressing.

abrowne 13y ago

Looks like a glossy screen :-(

Newky 13y ago

This is interesting timing, as I am really considering purchasing a chromebook. There are a few things that I am still curious about: 1. does netflix work ? I know that there was some chromebooks that it did not work on. 2. Any one have any experience with playing flash videos? 3. If linux is put onto it using crouton or similar, is it a severly limit set of packages due to the architecture or does it run quiet well. I want a very casual system that I can occasionally use for some writing/coding. I also have a VPS which I would ssh into for most (if not all) coding.

Khao 13y ago
I was in the US last month and went into a best buy to test out the latest Samsung Chromebook (using a similir ARM-based chip that the HP Chromebook 11 does) and I was surprised to find out that Flash worked incredibly well on it! I own one of the first intel-based chromebooks (also from Samsung, I don't remember the exact model name) and Flash is choppy, but on the new ARM-based chromebooks, it's great! And also, Netflix announced a couple months ago that they were planning on releasing an ARM-compatible chrome extension for Chromebooks. I don't know if it has been released or not yet, as it isn't compatible with my chromebook I think.
cbhl 13y ago
Netflix was enabled on the Samsung Chromebook last year thanks to EME (the HTML5 DRM stuff that was on the front page a few days ago) but sites like Hulu still might not work. I suspect that this device will work just as well, since the chipset is the same. Flash works because Google maintains a NaCl version of Flash for Linux and ARM, but it's closed source and requires staying inside Chrome OS. If you install e.g. Ubuntu you won't be able to use Flash on Chromium on the same hardware.

jbellis 13y ago

Is the difference between this and the $250 Samsung chromebook basically just the case? Same resolution, same amount of RAM, same tiny SSD.

jbellis 13y ago
To answer my question, apparently the viewing angles are a lot more forgiving on the HP screen.

dagman 13y ago

Looks very similar to the old plastic MacBook. And 60% Color Gamut? 60% of what? NTSC? sRGB? Adobe RGB?

teamonkey 13y ago
> Looks very similar to the old plastic MacBook. Not a bad thing, IMO.
- dagman 13y ago
  Agreed, it was a very pretty design.

grrowl 13y ago

6 hours battery life? Where's the tradeoff happening? A restricted device should give me something in return for this restriction.

ihsw 13y ago
A modestly-sized IPS screen.

jpswade 13y ago

Never mind this. When will the UK get Chromecast?

sciwiz 13y ago
Check today's Amazon announcement, they are shipping to UK.
- jpswade 13y ago
  http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DR0PDNE http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00DR0PDNE £59.99 = 96.47 US Dollar Sold by Sinclair Intl and Fulfilled by Amazon. Nothing about that sounds right.
fdr_cs 13y ago
It seems that amazon is shipping chromecasts to UK . Give it a try

aperture 13y ago

Woah, this is the kind of developing book I'd like: 6 hrs battery life IPS viewing display (without 1080p!) Mirousb universal charging cable 11 inch portability, weighing only 2lbs. I have the acer c7 chromebook, and am really fustrated I can't simply trade it in for this chromebook. It really is one of the most appealing deals. HN has also recently been talking about crouton, which I found very usable. The biggest issues I see in this is 2.0 usb and that non-celeron processor. For anybody considering developing on a chromebook, this looks like one of the most efficient chromebooks for you. A shame it doens't have a celeron though... (Side note. I await installation for that IPS onto the acer. I may not be able to turn in the acer c7 for the hp, but if I can get ahold of that 11 inch IPS, I'm game for that :)

trsohmers 13y ago
Why would you want an Intel chip in here? Would you rather get worse performance with half of the battery life? The only reason I can imagine is for installing linux and having the endless number of x86 precompiled applications. Even if that is the case, Ubuntu's ARM repositories have grown tremendously and ARM support is getting significantly better every kernel release. Plus, anything that isn't precompiled, you can always build yourself.
- aperture 13y ago
  That's precisely it: for developing 32 bit applications. As it stands, I have many computers that could benefit from me programming a 32 bit application, but only my rpi could benefit (and my cell phone, I suppose) with the ARM builds. 32 bit is also helpful for me because I have some 32-bit IDE (like the naobot from Aldebaran IDE). It is simply easier for me to develop and configure.
  - sspiff 13y ago
    Both Intel and ARM can work well in 32-bit, I don't see your point. On the contrary, if you're so hung up on the word size of your processor, ARM is a better fit than x86, since the latter is often running a 64-bit OS these days. Are you mixing 32-bit and x86 in your comment?

omgmog 13y ago

Would be interesting to give one of these a go as my daily driver, getting sick of lugging around a heavy 2011 Macbook Pro! I wonder what the options are like out of the box for development, or if this will work http://afaqdar.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/5-different-chromebook-developer-setups.html http://afaqdar.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/5-different-chromebook...

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dataminded 13y ago

Does '2GB (4x 4Gbit) DDR3 RAM' mean that it can grow to 16gb of ram? Under those conditions I would seriously consider getting it and running crouton.

ZeroGravitas 13y ago
bit vs Byte, 16Gbit = 2GB
- dataminded 13y ago
  Thanks. That missing y made all the difference. I will wait until I see what upgrades are possible before buying one.
dagw 13y ago
4*4Gbit=16Gbit=2GB. Basically it has one RAM module made up of four 4 Gbit chips. Someone just copy and pasted the technical spec sheet for the RAM module.
duskwuff 13y ago
Remember that it's an ARM device. The memory is soldered to the motherboard, and in any case it couldn't possibly address more than 4 GB of it anyway.

josefresco 13y ago

Awesome little machine but this brings up questions for me: 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? It would seem from recent consumer buying trends that most prefer a touch screen/tablet form factor at this price point/screen size. 2. How does this compare to an Android tablet (Nexus 10) with a high quality keyboard? Or even some of the "transformer" products with keyboards/additional ports already available? It seems you pay quite a premium for touch, I wonder if this machine will help sway people back into this form factor without touch/tablet mode.

Touche 13y ago
> 1. Do consumers want what is essentially a modern netbook? Yes. > Didn't this market die once the iPad and tablets took hold? No, Chromebooks have been successful.
- josefresco 13y ago
  While I appreciate your response, I would love to see some actual data to back up your conclusions.
  - bryanlarsen 13y ago
    http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Laptop/zgbs/pc/565108 http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Computers-Accessories-Lap...
    - ScrumMistress 13y ago
      Top of Amazon doesn't really mean much. http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-dominates-amazons-best-seller-chart/ http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/04/12/nokia-lumia-900-do... Here's some analysis based on browsing data usage which shows sales were worse than Windows RT. http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-chromebooks-are-struggling-7000014102/ http://www.zdnet.com/first-real-world-usage-figures-suggest-... If Chromebooks sales are good , why don't they release real official numbers?

Kiro 13y ago

OT but how is the animation under "For a closer look" done when you change between the sides?

fidotron 13y ago

This thing being blatantly aimed at the education market, Google really need to do the unthinkable and let people host their own server backends to support these devices, otherwise they're simply data sucking machines. That their own educational programming environment runs on a RaspPi and can't be hosted on a Chromebook speaks volumes. And I have a Chromebook, which I'll freely admit is brilliant for many things, but they're always going to be slightly useless until running server apps on them is supported out of the box. The whole thing is remarkably similar to the model Acorn, Sun and Oracle were aiming for with the NC back in the 90s.

stcredzero 13y ago
The network computer lives. (Too late to benefit Sun.)
thrownaway2424 13y ago
Huh? It's a web browser. Anyone can "host their own server backends" to whatever extent they desire.
- fidotron 13y ago
  Not quite - they're very dependent on your Google account, which is the login. You can't run servers on the devices themselves, without something like crouton. They also miss features like Bonjour interoperability to make local service discovery just painful enough to force you into the cloud. The result of this is when you are away from the Internet, which happens way more often than a lot of people seem to believe, they become utterly useless. The problem with Chrome OS is Google's larger strategic objectives are guiding their product direction. It seems like Android only became what it did thanks to Apple effectively forcing their hands, but as it stands Android on the same devices would be enormously more useful.
  - thrownaway2424 13y ago
    I guess that's true. It would be neat if they had pluggable identity providers. On the other hand I don't want to run my own. I prefer Google's.

lrizzo 13y ago

I really wish i could find a use for the chromebooks for my family, but i failed. This one seems similar to the samsung chromebook, which i tried for a while (also lending it to mother, sister, children) but we all found it basically useless for any everyday task. Surely one can blame the ecosystem; but still the conclusion does not change, and as a comparison, tablets and phones had a more successful approach at adapting or modifying the ecosystem and become usable. You cannot use an arm chromebook as laptop because of lack of storage, applications, limited options to connect peripherals (no drivers for anything except storage). No way to print that occasional document or boarding pass (unless you have another computer or perhaps network enabled printer); no way to scan a document. The samsung had an SD slot (this one does not); but you could not show videos from your camera because of unavailable codecs (and no way to install them, despite plenty of android apps for arm that play the same formats). Casual browsing also fails a lot because of unsupported codecs (flash, silverlight); a lot of chrome extensions do not work for arm. Apps, almost non existing. Compared to a tablet, you get a keyboard and the ability to display multiple windows on screen; but in exchange you lose almost every other sensor or peripheral (accelerometer, gps, camera, light) which make the device useful. Now if there were at least a sandbox to run android apps, one could (temporarily ?) address the lack of applications.

rsheridan6 13y ago
I had the exact opposite experience - our chromebook is used all the time while or tablet collects dust. Having a real keyboard is a big advantage. The features you list that a tablet has that the chromebook doesn't are all on our phones anyway.
ja27 13y ago
We'll probably take the plunge and get one for someone in the family when the next wave come out. Most of our documents are in Dropbox, Skydrive, Google Docs, etc. We also have a RaspberryPi and PogoPlug serving up plenty of local network storage. The only printer we use now is an all-in-one with wifi and support for Apple AirPrint and Google Cloud Print. Scanning from it is a little trickier but it can also scan right to an SD card from the printer panel. I can't think of the last time anyone else in my family attached a USB peripheral other than a mouse or storage.

snarfy 13y ago

11.6" display with 16:9 aspect ratio (IPS Panel) 1366 x 768 Meh.

squidi 13y ago
I hoped that with products like the iPad and Chromebook Pixel we'd get back to taller screens again, at least 16:10. 1366 x 768 is not something I want to go back to.
bluedino 13y ago
For all the hype it gets about being an ideal 'developer' machine, the screen resolution makes me laugh the most.
- cedias 13y ago
  I totally agree. I own a Samsung Chromebook and even if i'm able to get a lot of work done with it and that it's absolutely a blessing to carry around (i'm a CS student) the screen isn't suited for long work session unless you want to go blind...

mrbill 13y ago

Ordered. I absolutely love my ARM-based Chromebook, and have wished for the same specs with a bit better construction and build quality. This is absolutely perfect for my needs, and the keyboard looks to be marginally better as well. I've hardly touched my MB Air (2012 refurb) since I got the Chromebook. Small and light enough to throw in any bag/backpack without care, cheap enough to not worry about theft. I don't mind it being the same CPU and RAM specs as the original; I don't need much for the Chrome browser and a SSH session to the beefy server where I do most of my work. Also owned the C7 Chromebook for a while; upgraded it to SSD and 8G of RAM, but it felt like an abomination with the fans, heat it put out, etc. Sold it to a friend, who absolutely loves it.

curiousDog 13y ago
Just curious, what are your use cases with it? I've been considering one as a cheap Linux dev box but it seems like installing a second OS is a pain and that there's little to no HD space left after doing so. I've been eyeing a Sony laptop that costs ~$370 bit it is quite bulky.
- blinkingled 13y ago
  Seems like your best bet would be an Intel Chromebook like the Acer C7 - you can easily swap the SSD with bigger one, add RAM and install XFCE/Unity using one of the many options. It has fans though and you will notice those! And the battery life isn't stellar. But at least it is cheap and relatively light weight and comes with USB ports.
  - InTheSwiss 13y ago
    The Acer C720 actually looks quite nice although AFAICT you still can't wipe and install your own OS? You have to use the same methods as we currently have like crouton.
    - blinkingled 13y ago
      That's right. Something to do with the different type of firmware used in the Chromebooks you couldn't install Windows on them. XFCE on ChromeOS is as close as you'll get.

cbhl 13y ago

The thing I love about this device is that it charges off a micro-USB port -- buying a spare charger for my Samsung Chromebook was an expensive ordeal.

devx 13y ago

Strange that Samsung hasn't released their new ARM Chromebook yet, but this looks pretty good either way. I would've expected a quad core A15, bigger battery, and 4 GB of RAM at this point, though, for that price. Hopefully next year we can see some 1080p IPS panels, in there, too, for sub $300.

mcintyre1994 13y ago

Has anybody used Evernote on Chrome OS at all? I see so many people in lectures with a Macbook solely to use Evernote, and I can see why - it's great for notes on that platform at least. I don't want to take my laptop because it's too heavy and slow, but this (or some other Chrome OS device) looks great if Evernote does well on it - student price, light and fast.

agladlad 13y ago
I find Evernote's web interface has 99% of the features I use in the thick client, but YMMV.
k-mcgrady 13y ago
Evernote has a web version www.evernote.com. Works on all platforms.

guiomie 13y ago

can you do developement without pain on those?

AsymetricCom 13y ago
You will cause no pain to Google by developing on these.
- guiomie 13y ago
  Not sure to understand ...

netcan 13y ago

I'm so frustrated by these chromebooks. On one hand, the form factor and aesthetics are great. The price/power engineering is great. The mission/concept is fantastic. On the other hand, we've learned something from Android/IOS. We need apps and they do not necessarily lead to a computer that cannot be managed by a below average user. Even the average 'your mother' has some needs that aren't well met by this machine. Skype. Fill out this (Word) form and email it back to me. I really want android/ios-like (ideally iOS simplicity with chromebook prices/hardware) computers to come out and solve computing for the many many people poorly served by cheap clunky windows laptops.

omni 13y ago
Skype has a competitor called Google Hangouts that works just fine in the browser. Word has a competitor called Google Docs that works just fine in the browser. Desktop-only apps need to adapt or get left behind.
- jmduke 13y ago
  There are a great number of non-trivial use cases for which Google Docs is inferior compared to Word.
  - eddiedunn 13y ago
    A number? What are these exactly? I keep hearing people say this, but I can't think of any reasons where I would really need MS Office. I haven't used Word since Word 97, and I have never come across a use case that Open/LibreOffice, Google docs or Latex couldn't solve for me. I would imagine that the same would apply for most people. On the other hand, I remember collaborating on many reports using Google docs because that was the only application featuring decent real time multi user editing.
    - pa5tabear 13y ago
      Technical document preparation. When you're dealing with stuff like tables, graphs, footnotes, appendices... Word makes it easier. I know there's probably a way to reproduce everything in Google Docs, but it's not as easy/automatic.

taude 13y ago

For $80 more, I'd still likely consider the Asus T100 instead for my lightweight computing needs.

element_4 13y ago
Preorder is available on Amazon for the 64 gigabyte version.

mrbill 13y ago

FYI, this page only links to Amazon which says shipping on the 20th - but if you go to the Google Play Store and Devices, it's there in multiple colors (black, or white w/accents) and ships by the 11th.

dogber1 13y ago

The GPU is still an ARM Mali T6xx which is mostly unsupported, i.e. removing Chrome OS and running "pure" linux is going to be dreadfully slow for lack of 2D/3D acceleration. It's a shame that ARM hasn't released any technical datasheets for their Mali GPUs.

vital 13y ago

Looks fantastic, except for one thing - 11" screen on a 13" lid panel. What a waste of potentially useful space.

Dirlewanger 13y ago

Never would I use such ugly specter reminiscent of the netbook days.

shurcooL 13y ago

*100GB of free storage for two years, starting on the date you redeem the Drive offer. Some things like Hangouts, voice search and auto updates obviously require internet. Screen images simulated. Color availability may vary. I like the "obviously". :)

codezero 13y ago

Not for nothing, the thing has an 800Mhz dual core processor, which is half as fast as the Nexus 4 phone. Meh.

oscargrouch 13y ago

aka: Netbooks 2 - The mission

plg 13y ago

my problem is still that (absent paying exorbanent fees for 3G/LTE data), I still can't guarantee that I will be able to get online every time I want to use my computer.

plg 13y ago

"Tapered edges to help keep your wrists comfortable" ---> seems like a specific shot at the Macbooks Air

pm90 13y ago

How good are the trackpads? If any other vendor starts using trackpads as good as Apple's, I will switch in a heartbeat

enobrev 13y ago

I have a personal distrust towards HP products. Their customer service has always been good to me, but I've owned 3 separate HP laptops (from before and after the Compaq merger) and all three have essentially fallen apart after the first 12 - 18 months. Same goes for Toshiba (2 laptops). In comparison, every thinkpad I've owned (3) has always outlasted my need for them due to outdated specs over time.

pjmlp 13y ago

No thanks. I prefer my laptops, with my data, my native applications, on my hard disk, only accessing the Internet when I say so.

chimeracoder 13y ago
I agree. I love almost everything about this except that I don't control the servers on which the data is sent. If I did, though, man, they couldn't take my money fast enough.

roma1n 13y ago

Anybody has experience of developing android apps on those devices ?

scriptstar 13y ago

If you are from UK then you can buy this from pcworld, the first 30 pre-orders are also sent a 4G PAYG Mobile Wi-Fi, which sells for ~£90 on it's own. Or Use code LAPT20 to make it £209. http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/chromebooks/hp-11-wifi-chromebook-white-blue-21774144-pdt.html http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops-netbooks/laptops/chrom... Please make this comment come on top so that people will save some money. Thanks

AsymetricCom 13y ago

I will not be purchasing my digital serfdom. I expect to be served it.