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I've been using Firefox as my main browser for a couple of years now. It's really getting better in every build. And Vimperator is not available for Chrome. Now

by pimeys 13y ago

I've been using Firefox as my main browser for a couple of years now. It's really getting better in every build. And Vimperator is not available for Chrome. Nowadays my biggest reason to stay with Firefox is that I trust Mozilla more than I trust Google.

frank_boyd 13y ago
> I trust Mozilla more than I trust Google. No company working with the NSA can ever be trusted. That only leaves Mozilla. Plus, are there any other companies that are not-for-profit, like Mozilla? Because this point gives them a huge credit.
- chris_j 13y ago
  What makes you think that Mozilla are obliged to cooperate with the NSA any less than Google are?
  - frank_boyd 13y ago
    For now: a) The fact that they didn't appear in Snowden's documents like the other companies, b) the fact that companies like Google (and Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.) have it as their mission to build as precise user profiles as possible ("data hoover"), for example because the rely on advertising revenue. (Google is a 1-trick-pony, advertising being its trick.)
  - jessaustin 13y ago
    For the most part, Mozilla concentrates on releasing software rather than storing copious amounts of data about users. (Perhaps their "startup" Persona service is an exception to this, but I doubt it.) NSA is more likely to target all that juicy user data that Google has. They might also seek to undermine the security of software, but Mozilla aren't going to make that easy for them.
TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago
I switched from FF when it was sluggish. Funny, the reason I don't switch back is the opposite of yours: I don't want to miss Vimium... how does Vimperator compare to Vimium?
- pimeys 13y ago
  Much more features. If I try to use Vimium, it feels like Sublime's vim mode compared to the Emacs' evil-mode...
- ANTSANTS 13y ago
  I was in the same boat. I tried to switch back to Firefox a while back. Some people prefer Vimperator and Pentadactyl, but after using Vimium for a while, I found them to be a little too complicated and, well, different from what I was used to. It's possible I could have adjusted, but I didn't bother at the time and quickly returned to Chromium. Later I discovered a Firefox addon called VimFX that basically aims to be "Chromium for Firefox": A very simple set of Vim-like shortcuts, configured in almost exactly the way Chromium is. Once I started using it, I felt right at home in Firefox, and I haven't looked back since. It's got a few warts (delay when using gg, Ctrl-F rebound to PageDown by default), but all things considered I'm pretty happy with it. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/vimfx/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/vimfx/ https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx
  - TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago
    thank you! :)
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by pimeys 13y ago

frank_boyd 13y ago

> I trust Mozilla more than I trust Google. No company working with the NSA can ever be trusted. That only leaves Mozilla. Plus, are there any other companies that are not-for-profit, like Mozilla? Because this point gives them a huge credit.

chris_j 13y ago
What makes you think that Mozilla are obliged to cooperate with the NSA any less than Google are?
- frank_boyd 13y ago
  For now: a) The fact that they didn't appear in Snowden's documents like the other companies, b) the fact that companies like Google (and Facebook, Yahoo, Microsoft, etc.) have it as their mission to build as precise user profiles as possible ("data hoover"), for example because the rely on advertising revenue. (Google is a 1-trick-pony, advertising being its trick.)
- jessaustin 13y ago
  For the most part, Mozilla concentrates on releasing software rather than storing copious amounts of data about users. (Perhaps their "startup" Persona service is an exception to this, but I doubt it.) NSA is more likely to target all that juicy user data that Google has. They might also seek to undermine the security of software, but Mozilla aren't going to make that easy for them.

TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago

I switched from FF when it was sluggish. Funny, the reason I don't switch back is the opposite of yours: I don't want to miss Vimium... how does Vimperator compare to Vimium?

pimeys 13y ago
Much more features. If I try to use Vimium, it feels like Sublime's vim mode compared to the Emacs' evil-mode...
ANTSANTS 13y ago
I was in the same boat. I tried to switch back to Firefox a while back. Some people prefer Vimperator and Pentadactyl, but after using Vimium for a while, I found them to be a little too complicated and, well, different from what I was used to. It's possible I could have adjusted, but I didn't bother at the time and quickly returned to Chromium. Later I discovered a Firefox addon called VimFX that basically aims to be "Chromium for Firefox": A very simple set of Vim-like shortcuts, configured in almost exactly the way Chromium is. Once I started using it, I felt right at home in Firefox, and I haven't looked back since. It's got a few warts (delay when using gg, Ctrl-F rebound to PageDown by default), but all things considered I'm pretty happy with it. https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/vimfx/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/vimfx/ https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx https://github.com/akhodakivskiy/VimFx
- TsiCClawOfLight 13y ago
  thank you! :)
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