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Just maven or the whole Java philosophy of avoiding any understanding/researching/thinking before beginning to pile it up inside an IDE?)

cuillevel3 13y ago
I don't think there is an actual maven IDE. You normally use it from the command line, since it's integration into IDEs is serverly (eclipse...) lacking.
- chii 13y ago
  If you use Intellij IDEA, their maven integration is top notch. light years ahead of eclipse.
  - chinpokomon 13y ago
    I concur. I'm the only developer in my shop using IntelliJ. Everyone else uses NetBeans. Whenever someone asks me how to setup NetBeans to handle builds as easily as I do, I have to shrug. Simple things, like switching to offline mode or turning off tests is a chore for NetBeans, but it is just a simple button click for me. If I want to target a specific build profile, I check a check box. As I'm the one who maintains the build, configuring pom.xml files and setting up modules, I can see how it can become difficult for someone who doesn't have the experience I do. OTOH, I've yet to find a problem that stumps me when I'm doing things the Maven way, and I rather enjoy the flexibility and power it provides me. Once I've got the basics in place, maintaining the system is almost trivial.
- smrtinsert 13y ago
  I don't use maven for my builds these days but that's completely wrong. configuring deps is painless as is adding plugins. I've used it to build maven projs as well as osgi projs.
- liveoneggs 13y ago
  netbeans can use maven out of the box
bun-neh 13y ago
I wouldn't call it the "Java" philosophy. Rather, I would call it the "wet behind the ears" philosophy. It just so happens that they correlate because of the way people are trained.
GlennS 13y ago
Running joke in my office: whenever you waste a day on some trivial task because you had to edit some stupid XML config file, you lose a sanity point. I have learned the hard way to read some of the source code of any external library or tool, no matter how widely accepted, in case the person who wrote it didn't attend the class on not using global variables or depending on undocumented internals of the JVM (I'm looking at you Log4j 2). Or in case they were just plain bonkers, like everyone who was involved in writing Spring.
brown9-2 13y ago
To suggest that this is an effect of the language rather than various teams of different people building different tools at various points in times seems silly. What other language hasn't had multiple build solutions that were each "the one solution" at some point in time, only to be supplanted later? How many build solutions are there for C++, or Ruby?

cuillevel3 13y ago

I don't think there is an actual maven IDE. You normally use it from the command line, since it's integration into IDEs is serverly (eclipse...) lacking.

chii 13y ago
If you use Intellij IDEA, their maven integration is top notch. light years ahead of eclipse.
- chinpokomon 13y ago
  I concur. I'm the only developer in my shop using IntelliJ. Everyone else uses NetBeans. Whenever someone asks me how to setup NetBeans to handle builds as easily as I do, I have to shrug. Simple things, like switching to offline mode or turning off tests is a chore for NetBeans, but it is just a simple button click for me. If I want to target a specific build profile, I check a check box. As I'm the one who maintains the build, configuring pom.xml files and setting up modules, I can see how it can become difficult for someone who doesn't have the experience I do. OTOH, I've yet to find a problem that stumps me when I'm doing things the Maven way, and I rather enjoy the flexibility and power it provides me. Once I've got the basics in place, maintaining the system is almost trivial.
smrtinsert 13y ago
I don't use maven for my builds these days but that's completely wrong. configuring deps is painless as is adding plugins. I've used it to build maven projs as well as osgi projs.
liveoneggs 13y ago
netbeans can use maven out of the box

bun-neh 13y ago

I wouldn't call it the "Java" philosophy. Rather, I would call it the "wet behind the ears" philosophy. It just so happens that they correlate because of the way people are trained.

GlennS 13y ago

Running joke in my office: whenever you waste a day on some trivial task because you had to edit some stupid XML config file, you lose a sanity point. I have learned the hard way to read some of the source code of any external library or tool, no matter how widely accepted, in case the person who wrote it didn't attend the class on not using global variables or depending on undocumented internals of the JVM (I'm looking at you Log4j 2). Or in case they were just plain bonkers, like everyone who was involved in writing Spring.

brown9-2 13y ago

To suggest that this is an effect of the language rather than various teams of different people building different tools at various points in times seems silly. What other language hasn't had multiple build solutions that were each "the one solution" at some point in time, only to be supplanted later? How many build solutions are there for C++, or Ruby?