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This was in June, so it's summer, and the father was supposed to drop the baby off at daycare, but forgot; don't know why... but came and left the baby in the c

by Amadou 13y ago

This was in June, so it's summer, and the father was supposed to drop the baby off at daycare, but forgot; don't know why... but came and left the baby in the car, and came into work. As an aside... There was a Pulitzer Prize winning article about the phenomenon of parents forgetting their children in the backseat and leaving them to die in the heat. The main take-away is that it can happen to anyone. It isn't a matter of malicious or inattentive parents, it usually happens when there is a variation in routine that distracts the parent and pulls focus from the kid. http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2010-Feature-Writing http://www.pulitzer.org/works/2010-Feature-Writing

rodgerd 13y ago
Do not read that story, by the way, unless you want nightmares.
- scott_s 13y ago
  I read it a year or so ago, and yes, it is terrifying.
georgemcbay 13y ago
That's pretty terrifying. Seems like a good candidate for an "internet of things" solution in the future, eg. a baby seat with a weight sensor, thermometer and 3G data connection (or optionally, some tie in to OnStar, Sync or just the alarm system on a modern bluetooth-capable car) that could alert you and/or automatically pull down the electric windows in a panic mode. Granted, you'd have to be careful to ensure you don't create a solution people form a false sense of security around since the communications or electronics could fail, but it seems like overall this might save some babies.
- ludicast 13y ago
  I like this a lot. Seems genuinely useful. A simple version might be something that beeps like a seatbelt-detector if there is weight in back seat but not in front.
  - DennisP 13y ago
    You'd have to calibrate it to ignore the weight of the car seat, since people leave them in place. Seems like great idea though.
    - jasonlotito 13y ago
      Put it in the padding of the car seat, so even if it's moved, it's not forgotten.
  - yesbabyyes 13y ago
    Or even beeps when the seat belt is fastened, while the engine is off.
- partomniscient 13y ago
  Seems to me like you're treating the symptoms and not the cause. (Not that there's anything wrong with insurance).
  - jjoonathan 13y ago
    What's wrong with treating symptoms? If the alternative is treating the cause, then yes, treating the symptoms is foolish. But why do you expect the cause to be treatable in this case? We can't (and shouldn't) fix everyone's routine in granite for all of eternity. So that leaves us with the concrete good to be realized from treating the symptoms. The "concrete good" in this case is saving babies. I find it very difficult to call that anything but a win.
- GrinningFool 13y ago
  From the article above: --- or years, Fennell has been lobbying for a law requiring back-seat sensors in new cars, sensors that would sound an alarm if a child's weight remained in the seat after the ignition is turned off. Last year, she almost succeeded. The 2008 Cameron Gulbransen Kids' Transportation Safety Act -- which requires safety improvements in power windows and in rear visibility, and protections against a child accidentally setting a car in motion -- originally had a rear seat-sensor requirement, too. It never made the final bill; sponsors withdrew it, fearing they couldn't get it past a powerful auto manufacturers' lobby. There are a few aftermarket products that alert a parent if a child remains in a car that has been turned off. These products are not huge sellers. They have likely run up against the same marketing problem that confronted three NASA engineers a few years ago. In 2000, Chris Edwards, Terry Mack and Edward Modlin began to work on just such a product after one of their colleagues, Kevin Shelton, accidentally left his 9-month-old son to die in the parking lot of NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. The inventors patented a device with weight sensors and a keychain alarm. Based on aerospace technology, it was easy to use; it was relatively cheap, and it worked. That was five years ago. The device still isn't on the shelves. The inventors could not find a commercial partner willing to manufacture it. One big problem was liability. If you made it, you could face enormous lawsuits if it malfunctioned and a child died. But another big problem was psychological: Marketing studies suggested it wouldn't sell well. The problem is this simple: People think this could never happen to them --- And it's true. When you hear these stories, what's your first thought beyond "oh that poor kid". Usually: "how could her parent have done that to her? What kind of parent could possibly forget his/her child in the car?" Maybe that's not your initial response, but it's very likely somewhere in the chain unless you've read up on it or know someone it's happened to. And that response demonstrates why this wouldn't sell: if you don't think yo could make such a mistake you also don't see a need to protect against it. Might work if it were accompanied by a public awareness campaign, kind f like was done to get parents to put their kids on their backs. But the actual technology - hell, the products themselves - already exist. People just don't see it as a useful technology without that additional push.
  - mkr-hn 13y ago
    I like having a chime tell me when I leave the keys in or forget to turn the lights off. A baby alarm seems to be much more valuable.
dkoch 13y ago
I'm the parent of two toddlers and I can see how it happens. It's not quite as serious as leaving them in a hot car, but I've been in a rush and so distracted by work or life that I've put them in the car and driven away without remembering to fully buckle them into their carseats. Realizing that you've potentially endangered them is an awful feeling, and a stark reminder to slow down and remember what's important in life. Luckily they've gotten precocious enough to yell at me "Daddy I'm not buckled" so it doesn't happen any more.
- ErikAugust 13y ago
  Smart kids.

by Amadou 13y ago

rodgerd 13y ago

Do not read that story, by the way, unless you want nightmares.

scott_s 13y ago
I read it a year or so ago, and yes, it is terrifying.

georgemcbay 13y ago

That's pretty terrifying. Seems like a good candidate for an "internet of things" solution in the future, eg. a baby seat with a weight sensor, thermometer and 3G data connection (or optionally, some tie in to OnStar, Sync or just the alarm system on a modern bluetooth-capable car) that could alert you and/or automatically pull down the electric windows in a panic mode. Granted, you'd have to be careful to ensure you don't create a solution people form a false sense of security around since the communications or electronics could fail, but it seems like overall this might save some babies.

ludicast 13y ago
I like this a lot. Seems genuinely useful. A simple version might be something that beeps like a seatbelt-detector if there is weight in back seat but not in front.
- DennisP 13y ago
  You'd have to calibrate it to ignore the weight of the car seat, since people leave them in place. Seems like great idea though.
  - jasonlotito 13y ago
    Put it in the padding of the car seat, so even if it's moved, it's not forgotten.
- yesbabyyes 13y ago
  Or even beeps when the seat belt is fastened, while the engine is off.
partomniscient 13y ago
Seems to me like you're treating the symptoms and not the cause. (Not that there's anything wrong with insurance).
- jjoonathan 13y ago
  What's wrong with treating symptoms? If the alternative is treating the cause, then yes, treating the symptoms is foolish. But why do you expect the cause to be treatable in this case? We can't (and shouldn't) fix everyone's routine in granite for all of eternity. So that leaves us with the concrete good to be realized from treating the symptoms. The "concrete good" in this case is saving babies. I find it very difficult to call that anything but a win.
GrinningFool 13y ago
From the article above: --- or years, Fennell has been lobbying for a law requiring back-seat sensors in new cars, sensors that would sound an alarm if a child's weight remained in the seat after the ignition is turned off. Last year, she almost succeeded. The 2008 Cameron Gulbransen Kids' Transportation Safety Act -- which requires safety improvements in power windows and in rear visibility, and protections against a child accidentally setting a car in motion -- originally had a rear seat-sensor requirement, too. It never made the final bill; sponsors withdrew it, fearing they couldn't get it past a powerful auto manufacturers' lobby. There are a few aftermarket products that alert a parent if a child remains in a car that has been turned off. These products are not huge sellers. They have likely run up against the same marketing problem that confronted three NASA engineers a few years ago. In 2000, Chris Edwards, Terry Mack and Edward Modlin began to work on just such a product after one of their colleagues, Kevin Shelton, accidentally left his 9-month-old son to die in the parking lot of NASA Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. The inventors patented a device with weight sensors and a keychain alarm. Based on aerospace technology, it was easy to use; it was relatively cheap, and it worked. That was five years ago. The device still isn't on the shelves. The inventors could not find a commercial partner willing to manufacture it. One big problem was liability. If you made it, you could face enormous lawsuits if it malfunctioned and a child died. But another big problem was psychological: Marketing studies suggested it wouldn't sell well. The problem is this simple: People think this could never happen to them --- And it's true. When you hear these stories, what's your first thought beyond "oh that poor kid". Usually: "how could her parent have done that to her? What kind of parent could possibly forget his/her child in the car?" Maybe that's not your initial response, but it's very likely somewhere in the chain unless you've read up on it or know someone it's happened to. And that response demonstrates why this wouldn't sell: if you don't think yo could make such a mistake you also don't see a need to protect against it. Might work if it were accompanied by a public awareness campaign, kind f like was done to get parents to put their kids on their backs. But the actual technology - hell, the products themselves - already exist. People just don't see it as a useful technology without that additional push.
- mkr-hn 13y ago
  I like having a chime tell me when I leave the keys in or forget to turn the lights off. A baby alarm seems to be much more valuable.

dkoch 13y ago

I'm the parent of two toddlers and I can see how it happens. It's not quite as serious as leaving them in a hot car, but I've been in a rush and so distracted by work or life that I've put them in the car and driven away without remembering to fully buckle them into their carseats. Realizing that you've potentially endangered them is an awful feeling, and a stark reminder to slow down and remember what's important in life. Luckily they've gotten precocious enough to yell at me "Daddy I'm not buckled" so it doesn't happen any more.

ErikAugust 13y ago
Smart kids.