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IMHO, there is a major problem with Tesla's batteries. Boeing has had issues with its lithium-ion batteries catching on fire. I wouldn't be surprised if more Te

IMHO, there is a major problem with Tesla's batteries. Boeing has had issues with its lithium-ion batteries catching on fire. I wouldn't be surprised if more Teslas have the same issues in the future.

alexholehouse 13y ago
> IMHO, there is a major problem with Tesla's batteries. Is this based on any kind of information, or just supposition stemming from the problems Boeing had (where, IIRC, Tesla offered to provide engineering assistance).
- sally888 13y ago
  Well, the Chevy Volts' lithium ion batteries also have fire issues too. Not to mention overheated laptops with li-ion batteries that have caught on fire.
  - HeyItsJames 13y ago
    We're still waiting on any categorical information from you, other than your baseless fears stemming from problems with wholly different companies using similar technology.
  - smileysteve 13y ago
    News, Every car has batteries that are potential fire/explosion/acid explosions. I've seen a standard 12v lead acid battery evaporating/boiling hydrochloric acid out of its vent holes, I've also seen one smoking about to explode.
madaxe 13y ago
OK, add every laptop manufacturer, cellphone manufacturer, and any variety of portable device manufacturer on the planet to that list, then, as lithium ion or polymer batteries are flammable no matter what. I assume you have a suggestion as to how this could be remedied? Or, actually, looking at your comment history, I see you are also a climate change denialist. So, which oil giant do you work for, for whom you are spreading FUD?
- sally888 13y ago
  Yes, please accuse anyone who disagrees with you as being a paid shill. Saying that the IPCC has lowered estimates, which it has admitted in its report, is now climate change skepticism? Really? http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24229744/tesla-says-car-fire-began-after-object-hit http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24229744/tesla-says-c... "But lithium-ion batteries have raised concerns in other vehicles. Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing."
  - Amadou 13y ago
    "Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing." "After" being the operative word. They crashed the Volts for testing purposes and then left them sitting outside with a nearly full but damaged battery. THREE WEEKS LATER a fire started. When testing gasoline powered cars it is standard procedure to empty the tank immediately after crashing it, if they had drained or removed the Volts' batteries in a similar fashion nothing would have happened. https://publichd.se/index.php?page=torrents&search=&active=0&category=9;20;14 https://publichd.se/index.php?page=torrents&search=&active=0...
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      > ""After" being the operative word. They crashed the Volts for testing purposes and then left them sitting outside with a nearly full but damaged battery. THREE WEEKS LATER a fire started." Well damn, those sound like verified deathtraps! Seriously, the fact that she had to reach back two years probably says enough. On the general note of battery safety in crashes, there have been several Tesla Roadster crashes (to be expected with that style of car) (http://www.wreckedexotics.com/tesla/ http://www.wreckedexotics.com/tesla/), how many of them resulted in dangerous battery fires? Clearly these batteries do not present a serious safety concern.
  - schreiaj 13y ago
    > "But lithium-ion batteries have raised concerns in other vehicles. Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing." Imagine that, structurally compromised systems not disposed of properly are dangerous. That says more about GM than it does the technology. When I have batteries take damage (falls, shorts, the ever popular screwdriver through them) they are disposed of properly immediately. I also only use proper chargers and don't over charge my batteries. Guess what? I've never had a fire caused by the battery (I've had people plug in components in reverse and blow up the diodes a couple times). I've been working with various battery technologies on a near daily basis for the last 14 years without incident. Disclaimers: I'm a robotics/electric vehicle enthusiast. I don't do this stuff as my day job any more. I formerly worked in a university research lab building H2 powered race cars.
Tloewald 13y ago
Your humble opinions appear to be (a) anti L-Ion battery and (b) climate change skepticism. Is this a fair summary?
- sally888 13y ago
  What a blatant ad hominem and straw man attack. Do you like to misrepresent someone's positions because they have differing opinions from yours?
  - alexholehouse 13y ago
    So these are not your opinions?
  - Tloewald 13y ago
    You said "IMHO ..." and then asserted something with no evidence. So the only germane information is the quality of your opinions. I made no assessment of those opinions, I simply listed what I found, based on your posts, and asked for confirmation. If merely listing these things constitutes an ad hominem attack, then it says more about your opinions than it does about me.
    - nilkn 13y ago
      Let's be fair here. "You said "IMHO ..." and then asserted something with no evidence." Why would you expect something else when someone starts their post with IMHO? > If merely listing these things constitutes an ad hominem attack, then it says more about your opinions than it does about me. Your post had an obvious tone to it.
      - Tloewald 13y ago
        Tone, obvious or otherwise, does not constitute ad hominem either.
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loceng 13y ago
Elon Musk mentioned the battery problems that Boeing had / has, and offered to work with them to solve the problem that they had solved themselves..
- sally888 13y ago
  Yes, but it seems that that may have the same issues themselves. Li-ion batteries are notorious for catching on fire. Yes, the sample size is too small to make a determination on Tesla but I suspect they may run into the same issues as Boeing as they sell more cars.
  - sambe 13y ago
    This is why people call you 'shill'. You aren't disagreeing, just using leading speculation. These are specifically not the same issues as Boeing, whose design Musk criticised for ability to produce 'domino effect' fires that get out of control very fast. That did not happen here. Casting aspersions like 'li-ion are notorious' also stinks, much like the smell of gasoline before it (notoriously) explodes. Ignoring the facts of the particular case whilst hugely generalising about the technology isn't a good foundation of debate.
toomuchtodo 13y ago
What are your qualifications with regards to battery chemistry and energy management system engineering? I ask only because you said this is your opinion.

alexholehouse 13y ago

> IMHO, there is a major problem with Tesla's batteries. Is this based on any kind of information, or just supposition stemming from the problems Boeing had (where, IIRC, Tesla offered to provide engineering assistance).

sally888 13y ago
Well, the Chevy Volts' lithium ion batteries also have fire issues too. Not to mention overheated laptops with li-ion batteries that have caught on fire.
- HeyItsJames 13y ago
  We're still waiting on any categorical information from you, other than your baseless fears stemming from problems with wholly different companies using similar technology.
- smileysteve 13y ago
  News, Every car has batteries that are potential fire/explosion/acid explosions. I've seen a standard 12v lead acid battery evaporating/boiling hydrochloric acid out of its vent holes, I've also seen one smoking about to explode.

madaxe 13y ago

OK, add every laptop manufacturer, cellphone manufacturer, and any variety of portable device manufacturer on the planet to that list, then, as lithium ion or polymer batteries are flammable no matter what. I assume you have a suggestion as to how this could be remedied? Or, actually, looking at your comment history, I see you are also a climate change denialist. So, which oil giant do you work for, for whom you are spreading FUD?

sally888 13y ago
Yes, please accuse anyone who disagrees with you as being a paid shill. Saying that the IPCC has lowered estimates, which it has admitted in its report, is now climate change skepticism? Really? http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24229744/tesla-says-car-fire-began-after-object-hit http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24229744/tesla-says-c... "But lithium-ion batteries have raised concerns in other vehicles. Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing."
- Amadou 13y ago
  "Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing." "After" being the operative word. They crashed the Volts for testing purposes and then left them sitting outside with a nearly full but damaged battery. THREE WEEKS LATER a fire started. When testing gasoline powered cars it is standard procedure to empty the tank immediately after crashing it, if they had drained or removed the Volts' batteries in a similar fashion nothing would have happened. https://publichd.se/index.php?page=torrents&search=&active=0&category=9;20;14 https://publichd.se/index.php?page=torrents&search=&active=0...
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    > ""After" being the operative word. They crashed the Volts for testing purposes and then left them sitting outside with a nearly full but damaged battery. THREE WEEKS LATER a fire started." Well damn, those sound like verified deathtraps! Seriously, the fact that she had to reach back two years probably says enough. On the general note of battery safety in crashes, there have been several Tesla Roadster crashes (to be expected with that style of car) (http://www.wreckedexotics.com/tesla/ http://www.wreckedexotics.com/tesla/), how many of them resulted in dangerous battery fires? Clearly these batteries do not present a serious safety concern.
- schreiaj 13y ago
  > "But lithium-ion batteries have raised concerns in other vehicles. Two years ago, battery fires broke out in three Chevrolet Volt plug-in hybrid cars after crash-testing." Imagine that, structurally compromised systems not disposed of properly are dangerous. That says more about GM than it does the technology. When I have batteries take damage (falls, shorts, the ever popular screwdriver through them) they are disposed of properly immediately. I also only use proper chargers and don't over charge my batteries. Guess what? I've never had a fire caused by the battery (I've had people plug in components in reverse and blow up the diodes a couple times). I've been working with various battery technologies on a near daily basis for the last 14 years without incident. Disclaimers: I'm a robotics/electric vehicle enthusiast. I don't do this stuff as my day job any more. I formerly worked in a university research lab building H2 powered race cars.

Tloewald 13y ago

Your humble opinions appear to be (a) anti L-Ion battery and (b) climate change skepticism. Is this a fair summary?

sally888 13y ago
What a blatant ad hominem and straw man attack. Do you like to misrepresent someone's positions because they have differing opinions from yours?
- alexholehouse 13y ago
  So these are not your opinions?
- Tloewald 13y ago
  You said "IMHO ..." and then asserted something with no evidence. So the only germane information is the quality of your opinions. I made no assessment of those opinions, I simply listed what I found, based on your posts, and asked for confirmation. If merely listing these things constitutes an ad hominem attack, then it says more about your opinions than it does about me.
  - nilkn 13y ago
    Let's be fair here. "You said "IMHO ..." and then asserted something with no evidence." Why would you expect something else when someone starts their post with IMHO? > If merely listing these things constitutes an ad hominem attack, then it says more about your opinions than it does about me. Your post had an obvious tone to it.
    - Tloewald 13y ago
      Tone, obvious or otherwise, does not constitute ad hominem either.
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loceng 13y ago

Elon Musk mentioned the battery problems that Boeing had / has, and offered to work with them to solve the problem that they had solved themselves..

sally888 13y ago
Yes, but it seems that that may have the same issues themselves. Li-ion batteries are notorious for catching on fire. Yes, the sample size is too small to make a determination on Tesla but I suspect they may run into the same issues as Boeing as they sell more cars.
- sambe 13y ago
  This is why people call you 'shill'. You aren't disagreeing, just using leading speculation. These are specifically not the same issues as Boeing, whose design Musk criticised for ability to produce 'domino effect' fires that get out of control very fast. That did not happen here. Casting aspersions like 'li-ion are notorious' also stinks, much like the smell of gasoline before it (notoriously) explodes. Ignoring the facts of the particular case whilst hugely generalising about the technology isn't a good foundation of debate.

toomuchtodo 13y ago

What are your qualifications with regards to battery chemistry and energy management system engineering? I ask only because you said this is your opinion.