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$100k-$120k for undergrad? that's crazy. I guess this is one of the reasons why Facebook and Twitter decided to open offices in Vancouver _specifically_ to hire
by edwinnathaniel 13y ago
$100k-$120k for undergrad? that's crazy. I guess this is one of the reasons why Facebook and Twitter decided to open offices in Vancouver _specifically_ to hire undergrad. Undergrad salary here can be half of that.
- quaffapint 13y agoIt does say 'In silicon valley'. But even after price adjust, that does seem WAY too high for a junior developer.
- terramars 13y agoi can vouch that facebook was recently hiring people from Cornell for ~$100-$120 starting + $30 signing bonus ($50 if you interned) that admittedly you had to return if you quit in less than a year for any reason that wasn't explicitly their fault.
- onedev 13y agoYep FB offers undergrads from some universities 100-120k, plus 50-100k signing bonus, plus $100-125k in stocks from what I've heard.
- michaelochurch 13y agoThose numbers, in general, are high. You might get that if you get them into a bidding war. In general, a publicly traded company is not going to give that kind of package to an undergrad. Maybe $110-120k in salary, but the stock amount is more likely to be around $80k vesting over 4 years.
- onedev 13y agoI don't think anyone else gives $100k signing bonus, so yes the numbers aren't representative of the whole but it hints at what an undergraduate can command out of college. I'd say $100k salary is very typical, as are the RSUs (vesting over 4 years as you said).
- 001sky 13y ago...vesting over 4 years Would be alot different than 100k "signing bonus", more sane tho.
- logical42 13y ago100k-ish stock vesting over 4 years is pretty standard among the big SV companies for new grads. It can be a lot more though if you're not a new graduate.
- conanbatt 13y ago100k signing bonus? FB really gives an entire years salary upfront?
- onedev 13y agoYes they do. I believe for new-grads it was 50k if you were not an intern previously, and 100k if you were. You have to stay a full year at the company otherwise you have to pay it back. But yes, it is all upfront; cash.
- jackowayed 13y agoYes. I believe you have to stay a year to keep the bonus, but everyone I know who graduated from Stanford last year was offered >100k salary, 100k signing bonus, and some stock (I think per year the stock was about 25k at current market value). Even non-CS majors. If they studied a quantitative field, can code, and cleared the dev interview, they got that offer.
- avty 13y agonot for new grad, but I've seen up to 400k in stock given, pretty amazing..
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- m3mnoch 13y agokeep in mind, these are ivy league heavies, not local state school middle-of-the-pack undergrads.
- quaffapint 13y agoInteresting - so even in startups you've got to be a member of 'the club'? If you went to a local state school and could write circles around the club members, that doesn't count? I would see that in some fortune 500 execs, but startups? odd.
- obstacle1 13y agoBunch of my peers were hired in the $100-140 range across the T3s straight from undergrad. Complete no-name school outside of US. Attending an Ivy makes it easier for you to be recruited, since offers literally find you. At a lesser school you can still do well, it's just you have to find the offers.
- adamnemecek 13y agoAFAIK, the offices in Vancouver are for people who for whatever could not obtain work visa, so most of them work there until they are able to relocate to SF.
- edwinnathaniel 13y agoTwitter and FB specifically advertise new-grad only just fyi.
- smm2000 13y agoNot really. If you go after top people from good universities (Waterloo, UBC), it's still 80-85k in Vancouver. Less than in Silicon Valley but not by much.
- edwinnathaniel 13y agoI highly doubt that. Even BBY during their glory days are willing to pay 64k for fresh grad with co-ops experience. Microsoft paid 80k for ugrad back in 2008 in Redmond. I would love to know which companies in the Vancouver that are willing to pay that much for mostly raw talent. PS: I dealt with mostly UBC co-op and I know UBC CS curriculum rather well and 85k is too much.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoWhy would you mention UWa and UBC and not...U Toronto, which is actually internationally ranked in computer science?
- MAGZine 13y agoThere are a whole array of credible Universities in Canada when it comes to cpsc, I don't think he was being selective, just what came to mind. Those are the first ones that come to mind for me
- edwinnathaniel 13y agoNot to diminish UT reputation but both UWa and UBC ranked the highest among Canadian universities when it comes to the annual ACM competitions.
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoYou mean ACM programming competitions. I believe Shanghai Jiaotong university often comes out #1 in those competitions, and no one is claiming that they are at the top of the computer science program rankings.
- MAGZine 13y agoGood luck. With real estate prices being the highest in north america in vancouver, i don't know if i should blame facebook or the candidates for taking what's less than market wage. we can speculate for what reasons facebook opened an office in vancouver, but from what i was told is that it's all about simplifying the visa/foreign worker issue, and opening doors to more candidates/talent (e.g. western canada & beyond). Honestly though. Unless if you have no experience in the real world, $50-$60k seems a bit low... ESPECIALLY in Vancouver.
- edwinnathaniel 13y agoWe're talking about fresh-grads who know nothing about TDD, best practices, or trade-offs, or had read pragmatic programmer or code complete. Some of them might be smart, as in raw talent, but giving 80k up-front and expect them to get up to speed in 1 year is like instant noodle. Would love to know which companies, and how many are they, that are willing to pay at least 70k for UBC grad with co-op experience. I mean, if we're talking just one or two companies, they are anomaly.
- potatolicious 13y agoAll of the "A-tier" companies pay $100K+ for undergrads with co-op experience. This is Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, among many others. As a Canadian expat, Canadians who stay in Canada frankly get royally fucked in salary. The curve doesn't exactly close up either - I'm a few years out of school now and the gap between me and a salary I could command in Vancouver/Toronto is still about 100%.
- edwinnathaniel 13y agoSee that's the thing, I believe you. What I don't believe is the kind of salary like that in Vancouver as MAGZine stated. The good news is that Vancouver salary is either close or at the same level with Toronto. That was not the case a few years ago. The bad news is that Vancouver housing price is, we all know about this, awful.
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- cpprototypes 13y agoWhat happens to these developers after a few years in the industry? Is there an invisible salary ceiling they hit faster than developers in non-SV areas? Or does it increase at the same rate as developers in non-SV areas? I don't live in SV so I'm curious how high a typical senior dev salary is if the junior dev salary is already so high. EDIT: I just looked up Software Engineer III in San Jose on salary.com. The median is $108k and the upper 90% is $130k. So how can the salary for someone who just graduated be 100k+? Is that just for google and facebook? And all other companies in SV pay much less?
- avty 13y agoGoogle and Facebook and a few big/hot ones.
- prostoalex 13y agoIt must've been the limit on H1B's and Canada's friendlier immigration climate. But here's a point of reference https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6448448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6448448 Important to note that this is offered to a top-of-the class undergraduate, the average is likely to be substantially lower.
- MAGZine 13y agoyou don't even need to be a top-of-class graduate. if you are a successful intern at google, there is no reason for them to not give you an above-average salary. you're good at what you do (proven), and the ramp-up costs of otherwise hiring someone else are non-existent.
- nickbarnwell 13y agoIf that's inclusive of signing bonuses, stock grants, etc. $120k is materially less than the major companies are offering these days. Their Vancouver offices (certainly for FB, unsure of others) are visa holding tanks to hold graduates before they can be moved down to the SF offices. I would expect them to be receiving virtually equivalent offers.
- CmonDev 13y agoErr... That's how the market works. Now, property prices _are_ crazy.
- avty 13y agoTry 200k for a new grad, base + stock, this is not including bonus yet. There's a reason most people on the market right now are so horrible.