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This post captures very accurately the engineering education scene in India. I would add that many students today are actually aware of what they are getting in

by arocks 13y ago

This post captures very accurately the engineering education scene in India. I would add that many students today are actually aware of what they are getting into (Most of the times, they don’t need engineers but mere “coders”). Unless they are living under a rock, their predecessors have already told them that by now. Going further the students who were pressurized to take up engineering are now using these jobs as stepping stones to reach a point where they can pursue their real interest. The good engineers are seen as capable to lead bigger teams and pressurized to enter project management (which is, in reality, resource management). At least on the open source front, there seems to be a real community of interest in India, who seem to involved due to their love in the area. The way I see it, getting into engineering was an 'arbitrage opportunity'. That window has closed and people will slowly move on.

anovikov 13y ago
I am sure 'project management', especially in Indian outsourcer firm's context (managing people + forwarding messages to and from them and customers to conceal the fact how dumb the coders are) is long-term, a much worse of a hole than working for the same outsourcing firm as a coder. Because it doesn't give one any marketable skills, and slowly turns him into a neurotic.
kamaal 13y ago
>>The good engineers are seen as capable to lead bigger teams and pressurized to enter project management In which company does this happen? Because nearly everywhere that I have seen, and especially in big IT services companies. Managerial aspirations happen as people find coding to be too much of intellectual work and would like to settle down in a desk clerk sort of work accounting job. A middle manager in a large company these days is basically a guy who fills up forms for work accounting purposes.
rahul_rai 13y ago
>>This post captures very accurately ................ It also captures very accurately the following. The definition of a start up in India. No start up wants to create value for society. Their immediate concern is making money /monetizing. The start up founder is someone who has some money and wants to make more money from that money. Then he wants some engineers/coders/designers to do the job. The so called start up founder also wants it do in minimum amount of money. Hence the start up founder chooses people who are not costly. He finds the not costly people to have lack of skills. And then he blogs and blames the Indian Education System. THE INDIAN EDUCATION SYSTEMS WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE SMALL NUMBER OF GOOD ENGINEERS . IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING WHICH HAS SOME VALUE FOR SOCIETY , THEN HIRE THE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT BLAME YOURSELF IF YOU CANNOT HIRE GOOD PEOPLE, DO NOT BLAME THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. you want profit , everyone wants profit, why would anyone work for 25k rupees per month while you charge your clients something 90k rupees per month. Stop this body shopping attitude. Just because you know linux kernel and some open source ROR does not gives you any power to blame people whose parents did not purchase them a Desktop when they were 13. Just because you know void * (x)(int,char)[66] does not entitle you to exploit people at so 10k per month who do not know C. Stop blaming the Education system. Start hiring good people or go to hell. Fuck your luck on scaling a body shop.

by arocks 13y ago

anovikov 13y ago

I am sure 'project management', especially in Indian outsourcer firm's context (managing people + forwarding messages to and from them and customers to conceal the fact how dumb the coders are) is long-term, a much worse of a hole than working for the same outsourcing firm as a coder. Because it doesn't give one any marketable skills, and slowly turns him into a neurotic.

kamaal 13y ago

>>The good engineers are seen as capable to lead bigger teams and pressurized to enter project management In which company does this happen? Because nearly everywhere that I have seen, and especially in big IT services companies. Managerial aspirations happen as people find coding to be too much of intellectual work and would like to settle down in a desk clerk sort of work accounting job. A middle manager in a large company these days is basically a guy who fills up forms for work accounting purposes.

rahul_rai 13y ago

>>This post captures very accurately ................ It also captures very accurately the following. The definition of a start up in India. No start up wants to create value for society. Their immediate concern is making money /monetizing. The start up founder is someone who has some money and wants to make more money from that money. Then he wants some engineers/coders/designers to do the job. The so called start up founder also wants it do in minimum amount of money. Hence the start up founder chooses people who are not costly. He finds the not costly people to have lack of skills. And then he blogs and blames the Indian Education System. THE INDIAN EDUCATION SYSTEMS WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE SMALL NUMBER OF GOOD ENGINEERS . IF YOU WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING WHICH HAS SOME VALUE FOR SOCIETY , THEN HIRE THE GOOD PEOPLE. BUT BLAME YOURSELF IF YOU CANNOT HIRE GOOD PEOPLE, DO NOT BLAME THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. you want profit , everyone wants profit, why would anyone work for 25k rupees per month while you charge your clients something 90k rupees per month. Stop this body shopping attitude. Just because you know linux kernel and some open source ROR does not gives you any power to blame people whose parents did not purchase them a Desktop when they were 13. Just because you know void * (x)(int,char)[66] does not entitle you to exploit people at so 10k per month who do not know C. Stop blaming the Education system. Start hiring good people or go to hell. Fuck your luck on scaling a body shop.