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What is even more impressive about this figure is that it's just XBOX 360 and Playstation 3 sales. GTA V hasn't been announced for PC yet which is a severely un

What is even more impressive about this figure is that it's just XBOX 360 and Playstation 3 sales. GTA V hasn't been announced for PC yet which is a severely underrated market when it comes to games I reckon. If GTA V launched with a PC version I think they would have eclipsed $1 billion in 24 hours, easily, if not 1.1. I played this yesterday (I don't own a console) at a friends house and what they've been able to achieve on these consoles is impressive considering these consoles aren't next gen and are resource limited.

colmvp 13y ago
I played this yesterday (I don't own a console) at a friends house and what they've been able to achieve on these consoles is impressive considering these consoles aren't next gen and are resource limited. It seems like that happens at every end of every console's life. Last of Us, BioShock Infinite, and GTA V are three fantastic games to close out the PS3.
- piggity 13y ago
  I wonder if the developers get a real handle on the platform and squeezing the most out of it by the time it gets to EOL.
  - adventured 13y ago
    They must no doubt, given the specs on those systems. eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_specifications http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_specificatio... A whopping 512mb of RAM to run GTA 5 I picked up my 360 in the launch month, and it's still running eight years later. Have to give them credit for that as I've put a lot of miles on the system.
    - robmcm 13y ago
      >I picked up my 360 in the launch month, and it's still running eight years later. Wow, I have had like 4 consoles, 2 original, elite and finally the slim. All but the slim RROD, to still have your launch edition is mighty impressive!
      - patrickk 13y ago
        The earlier years of the 360 were plagued by RROD problems. I bought a second (original) console a few years in and had no problems. My experience was that the RROD issues were sorted out well before the elite and slim 360s (worked in GameStop), so it's surprising you had problems with those versions.
        freehunter 13y ago
        I can confirm that the elite can RROD. I had two originals RROD and finally got a slim, my roommate had one elite and had to get a slim after his RROD'd.
      - adventured 13y ago
        Only problem I had was in 2007, I got the red ring of death, which Microsoft fixed. I picked up a 360 for my brother at the same time, and his is also still running perfectly (he managed to avoid the ring of death). I've never done anything particularly special for the care of the system, I keep it elevated off the floor, and it has always rested flat (for better or worse).
  - pchristensen 13y ago
    Bingo. Andy Gavin's blog about developing Crash Bandicoot covers some of the issues of developing for consoles.
  - skeletonjelly 13y ago
    I was just reading about this yesterday actually. Wiki mentions the tricks learnt from GTAIV were exploited to their full extent to make the best use of the hardware for GTAV. > While both games were developed for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, the team were able to render the world of Grand Theft Auto V with greater detail than in Grand Theft Auto IV because they had become familiar with the hardware over time. Art director Aaron Garbut opined that while the aging hardware of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 were tiring to work with, "I think one of the most amazing features is the way we handle lighting in the game to maintain a consistent look despite the constraints on realistic lighting and shadows on current hardware", he explained.[28] Vice president Dan Houser agreed with this sentiment, explaining that working on Grand Theft Auto IV with relatively new hardware was difficult, but "now we know what the hardware's capable of, so it's become a lot easier to move things along and a lot more fun, too". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta5#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta5#Development
    - addandsubtract 13y ago
      Don't forget the experience they also gained with Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3.
- spottr 13y ago
  Except Gran Turismo 6 (with completely rebuilt graphics and physics) is coming out this year. Metal Gear Solid V & Ground Zeroes are currently in development for the PS3, among other systems. Also we will still be getting multi-platform stuff for some time (Battlefield 4). So it's too early to "close out the PS3" IMHO.
- lmm 13y ago
  Not just this generation either. I remember being amazed at Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong 64, or, going even further back, Chrono Trigger.
  - cobrausn 13y ago
    True. Best example that comes to mind in recent memory for me is Resident Evil 4 on gamecube - nobody thought the GC could do that.
thejosh 13y ago
I played it on PS3, the only downside is the FPS drop that occurs when driving at fast speeds... which is a fair payoff for the impressive visuals they have managed to achieve.
- robmcm 13y ago
  I wonder if they will/could just port to PS4 and up the textures, framerate, draw distance etc. It could be that there is so much PS3 specific tricks in there it just wouldn't work.
- MattBearman 13y ago
  This is odd, as I haven't found this on the xbox 360 at all, and I was under the impression that the ps3 was more powerful.
  - cvshepherd 13y ago
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-grand-theft-auto-5-face-off http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-grand-theft... The target this time is 30fps for both platforms, and it holds at that point for most areas. Overall the PS3 puts out the lower frame-rate for synchronised in-engine cut-scenes, typically by a matter of two frames-per-second and rarely much more. Curiously, the 360 version is the only one of the two to drive upwards from the 30fps target on occasion...
  - jerf 13y ago
    The question of which is more powerful is a difficult one if you get down to the nitty-gritty... but I'd have to say the best snap answer is that in general, the XBox 360 actually has a narrow advantage in most ways. The PS3 has a particular advantage in a certain type of computation, but if you can't make maximal use of that for some reason, the XBox 360 wins. The idea that the PS3 has some sort of huge advantage is mostly Sony propaganda, and people who don't get that "Cell" doesn't mean something magic that makes everything faster, it means something more like "overoptimized for a particular use case" that only makes certain very narrow tasks faster. Now I can finally justify this point I've made before with this: There is a reason the PS4 is fleeing the Cell architecture just as fast as its metaphorical feet can take it. If companies, like politicians, weren't obligated to put on a public facade that says they never make mistakes, they would admit that it was an error and never really panned out the way they hoped (to say nothing of what they claimed!). As it is, if you read in between the lines a bit in this presentation, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA , the PS4 lead came about as close as he politically could to admitting it. (Props to him. The PS4 is looking really solid to me, and I think that is essentially 100% because of this guy.)
cyanbane 13y ago
Not only PC, but I wonder if some people are waiting to see if this hits next gen consoles also.
- podperson 13y ago
  My guess is their business plan was -- get it out for the tail end of the current gen consoles, then rake in cash a second time on a remastered edition when the next gen consoles are out in significant numbers.
forrestthewoods 13y ago
Assuming every PC copy sold is digital at $60 a pop the 70% publisher cut would be $42. To generate an extra $300,000,000 in revenue on PC it'd have to sell 7 million copies. No game in the history of ever has sold that many copies on day one on PC. And they especially haven't done that when the game is releasing on consoles at the same time. It will however eventually release on PC and generate a nice chunk of change over a few years at various price points.
- InclinedPlane 13y ago
  Why are you comparing gross revenue to profit? It would only take 3.3 million pre-sales to make up the $200 million to get to $1 billion/day. Diablo 3 reached that many sales on day 1, for example. Moreover, we're not talking about any random game, we're talking about this very specific game, GTA V, which has smashed existing sales records.
- petercooper 13y ago
  No game in the history of ever has sold that many copies on day one on PC. No game in the history of ever has sold as many copies on Xbox 360 or PS3 as GTA V just has either, no? ;-) That said, I think I agree with the inferred point that simultaneous PC release wouldn't have had a huge impact on revenue.
  - teamonkey 13y ago
    > No game in the history of ever has sold as many copies on Xbox 360 or PS3 as GTA V just has either, no? ;-) Several blockbusters, such as Call of Duty, have sold more on consoles than GTA V currently has, just not on day 1.
    - Fourplealis 13y ago
      Well, according to wikipedia, it took 5 days for COD:BO2 to earn $800M. Game grossed $500M on the first day.
yaeger 13y ago
You can only imagine what that game could look like if it were designed for PC and not decade old consoles with hardware that was mid-range when the consoles came out. It sucks that every major game lately is just made for the lowest common denominator and then if we are lucky, we get a half assed PC port. Dear god what a mess GTA IV was and how many patches it took to actually get it to a workable state. I still wait on a studio that actually takes enough pride in their work to develop something that really pushes the envelope of PC gaming. You could take that then and show even the "Next Gen" consoles what actually is possible nowadays if you don't go for the bargain basement.
- jiggy2011 13y ago
  You could if you target really high end PCs but a lot of the PC market is now laptops or people who don't want to upgrade every 6 months to a year.
  - jackmaney 13y ago
    There was a time when gaming PCs had to be upgraded regularly, but that hasn't been the case for years, now. My gaming rig was built about three years ago, and it should be able to go another one to two years before it will need an upgrade. And even then, the only upgrade it should need is a new video card (the GTX 460 that I have is sufficient, but it will eventually be a performance bottleneck).
    - plq 13y ago
      I wonder how much consoles are to blame for that. Big studios that have the power to drive PC upgrades produce mainly for decade-old hardware, which is just peanuts by the standards of today's PCs.
  - enneff 13y ago
    The PS3 is nearly 7 years old and runs GTA V. Modern PCs could run GTA V just fine. In fact, it'd probably run better on the PC because they could just install the entire game to the hard drive (load times are a bit lengthy on the PS3 because of disc seek times).
fmax30 13y ago
News flash , AAA companies don't like to do PC releases because of all the piracy. Hell Let me be honest , every GTA games i had played till San Andreas on the PC was a cracked version. It wasn't that i wanted to get a crack , but the thing was that there was no other option available where i live.
- RyanMcGreal 13y ago
  > It wasn't that i wanted to get a crack , but the thing was that there was no other option available where i live. Which brings us back to: Piracy is a market failure, not a cultural failure.
  - kybernetyk 13y ago
    Theft is a market failure, not a cultural failure.
    - RyanMcGreal 13y ago
      Repeat after me: piracy is not theft.
      - jessaustin 13y ago
        To be precise, "piracy" isn't even piracy. After all, it's not murder, kidnapping, and plunder on the high seas.
        RyanMcGreal 13y ago
        Thank you - you're quite right. I should have written, "copying isn't theft".
        twerquie 13y ago
        It shouldn't be a surprise to you that words can have more than one meaning.
Jagat 13y ago
Release it on PC and keep your finger crossed while a cracker team cracks the drm and releases it on a torrent site.
- goldudu 13y ago
  yeah and thats exactly the reason we all migrated to consoles, pc gaming age is over just b'cas of those crackers, the all industry is useless without online network mode games - so that games would not be cracked.

colmvp 13y ago

I played this yesterday (I don't own a console) at a friends house and what they've been able to achieve on these consoles is impressive considering these consoles aren't next gen and are resource limited. It seems like that happens at every end of every console's life. Last of Us, BioShock Infinite, and GTA V are three fantastic games to close out the PS3.

piggity 13y ago
I wonder if the developers get a real handle on the platform and squeezing the most out of it by the time it gets to EOL.
- adventured 13y ago
  They must no doubt, given the specs on those systems. eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_specifications http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_specificatio... A whopping 512mb of RAM to run GTA 5 I picked up my 360 in the launch month, and it's still running eight years later. Have to give them credit for that as I've put a lot of miles on the system.
  - robmcm 13y ago
    >I picked up my 360 in the launch month, and it's still running eight years later. Wow, I have had like 4 consoles, 2 original, elite and finally the slim. All but the slim RROD, to still have your launch edition is mighty impressive!
    - patrickk 13y ago
      The earlier years of the 360 were plagued by RROD problems. I bought a second (original) console a few years in and had no problems. My experience was that the RROD issues were sorted out well before the elite and slim 360s (worked in GameStop), so it's surprising you had problems with those versions.
      - freehunter 13y ago
        I can confirm that the elite can RROD. I had two originals RROD and finally got a slim, my roommate had one elite and had to get a slim after his RROD'd.
    - adventured 13y ago
      Only problem I had was in 2007, I got the red ring of death, which Microsoft fixed. I picked up a 360 for my brother at the same time, and his is also still running perfectly (he managed to avoid the ring of death). I've never done anything particularly special for the care of the system, I keep it elevated off the floor, and it has always rested flat (for better or worse).
- pchristensen 13y ago
  Bingo. Andy Gavin's blog about developing Crash Bandicoot covers some of the issues of developing for consoles.
- skeletonjelly 13y ago
  I was just reading about this yesterday actually. Wiki mentions the tricks learnt from GTAIV were exploited to their full extent to make the best use of the hardware for GTAV. > While both games were developed for the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, the team were able to render the world of Grand Theft Auto V with greater detail than in Grand Theft Auto IV because they had become familiar with the hardware over time. Art director Aaron Garbut opined that while the aging hardware of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 were tiring to work with, "I think one of the most amazing features is the way we handle lighting in the game to maintain a consistent look despite the constraints on realistic lighting and shadows on current hardware", he explained.[28] Vice president Dan Houser agreed with this sentiment, explaining that working on Grand Theft Auto IV with relatively new hardware was difficult, but "now we know what the hardware's capable of, so it's become a lot easier to move things along and a lot more fun, too". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta5#Development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gta5#Development
  - addandsubtract 13y ago
    Don't forget the experience they also gained with Red Dead Redemption and Max Payne 3.
spottr 13y ago
Except Gran Turismo 6 (with completely rebuilt graphics and physics) is coming out this year. Metal Gear Solid V & Ground Zeroes are currently in development for the PS3, among other systems. Also we will still be getting multi-platform stuff for some time (Battlefield 4). So it's too early to "close out the PS3" IMHO.
lmm 13y ago
Not just this generation either. I remember being amazed at Perfect Dark and Donkey Kong 64, or, going even further back, Chrono Trigger.
- cobrausn 13y ago
  True. Best example that comes to mind in recent memory for me is Resident Evil 4 on gamecube - nobody thought the GC could do that.

thejosh 13y ago

I played it on PS3, the only downside is the FPS drop that occurs when driving at fast speeds... which is a fair payoff for the impressive visuals they have managed to achieve.

robmcm 13y ago
I wonder if they will/could just port to PS4 and up the textures, framerate, draw distance etc. It could be that there is so much PS3 specific tricks in there it just wouldn't work.
MattBearman 13y ago
This is odd, as I haven't found this on the xbox 360 at all, and I was under the impression that the ps3 was more powerful.
- cvshepherd 13y ago
  http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-grand-theft-auto-5-face-off http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-grand-theft... The target this time is 30fps for both platforms, and it holds at that point for most areas. Overall the PS3 puts out the lower frame-rate for synchronised in-engine cut-scenes, typically by a matter of two frames-per-second and rarely much more. Curiously, the 360 version is the only one of the two to drive upwards from the 30fps target on occasion...
- jerf 13y ago
  The question of which is more powerful is a difficult one if you get down to the nitty-gritty... but I'd have to say the best snap answer is that in general, the XBox 360 actually has a narrow advantage in most ways. The PS3 has a particular advantage in a certain type of computation, but if you can't make maximal use of that for some reason, the XBox 360 wins. The idea that the PS3 has some sort of huge advantage is mostly Sony propaganda, and people who don't get that "Cell" doesn't mean something magic that makes everything faster, it means something more like "overoptimized for a particular use case" that only makes certain very narrow tasks faster. Now I can finally justify this point I've made before with this: There is a reason the PS4 is fleeing the Cell architecture just as fast as its metaphorical feet can take it. If companies, like politicians, weren't obligated to put on a public facade that says they never make mistakes, they would admit that it was an error and never really panned out the way they hoped (to say nothing of what they claimed!). As it is, if you read in between the lines a bit in this presentation, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA , the PS4 lead came about as close as he politically could to admitting it. (Props to him. The PS4 is looking really solid to me, and I think that is essentially 100% because of this guy.)

cyanbane 13y ago

Not only PC, but I wonder if some people are waiting to see if this hits next gen consoles also.

podperson 13y ago
My guess is their business plan was -- get it out for the tail end of the current gen consoles, then rake in cash a second time on a remastered edition when the next gen consoles are out in significant numbers.

forrestthewoods 13y ago

Assuming every PC copy sold is digital at $60 a pop the 70% publisher cut would be $42. To generate an extra $300,000,000 in revenue on PC it'd have to sell 7 million copies. No game in the history of ever has sold that many copies on day one on PC. And they especially haven't done that when the game is releasing on consoles at the same time. It will however eventually release on PC and generate a nice chunk of change over a few years at various price points.

InclinedPlane 13y ago
Why are you comparing gross revenue to profit? It would only take 3.3 million pre-sales to make up the $200 million to get to $1 billion/day. Diablo 3 reached that many sales on day 1, for example. Moreover, we're not talking about any random game, we're talking about this very specific game, GTA V, which has smashed existing sales records.
petercooper 13y ago
No game in the history of ever has sold that many copies on day one on PC. No game in the history of ever has sold as many copies on Xbox 360 or PS3 as GTA V just has either, no? ;-) That said, I think I agree with the inferred point that simultaneous PC release wouldn't have had a huge impact on revenue.
- teamonkey 13y ago
  > No game in the history of ever has sold as many copies on Xbox 360 or PS3 as GTA V just has either, no? ;-) Several blockbusters, such as Call of Duty, have sold more on consoles than GTA V currently has, just not on day 1.
  - Fourplealis 13y ago
    Well, according to wikipedia, it took 5 days for COD:BO2 to earn $800M. Game grossed $500M on the first day.

yaeger 13y ago

You can only imagine what that game could look like if it were designed for PC and not decade old consoles with hardware that was mid-range when the consoles came out. It sucks that every major game lately is just made for the lowest common denominator and then if we are lucky, we get a half assed PC port. Dear god what a mess GTA IV was and how many patches it took to actually get it to a workable state. I still wait on a studio that actually takes enough pride in their work to develop something that really pushes the envelope of PC gaming. You could take that then and show even the "Next Gen" consoles what actually is possible nowadays if you don't go for the bargain basement.

jiggy2011 13y ago
You could if you target really high end PCs but a lot of the PC market is now laptops or people who don't want to upgrade every 6 months to a year.
- jackmaney 13y ago
  There was a time when gaming PCs had to be upgraded regularly, but that hasn't been the case for years, now. My gaming rig was built about three years ago, and it should be able to go another one to two years before it will need an upgrade. And even then, the only upgrade it should need is a new video card (the GTX 460 that I have is sufficient, but it will eventually be a performance bottleneck).
  - plq 13y ago
    I wonder how much consoles are to blame for that. Big studios that have the power to drive PC upgrades produce mainly for decade-old hardware, which is just peanuts by the standards of today's PCs.
- enneff 13y ago
  The PS3 is nearly 7 years old and runs GTA V. Modern PCs could run GTA V just fine. In fact, it'd probably run better on the PC because they could just install the entire game to the hard drive (load times are a bit lengthy on the PS3 because of disc seek times).

fmax30 13y ago

News flash , AAA companies don't like to do PC releases because of all the piracy. Hell Let me be honest , every GTA games i had played till San Andreas on the PC was a cracked version. It wasn't that i wanted to get a crack , but the thing was that there was no other option available where i live.

RyanMcGreal 13y ago
> It wasn't that i wanted to get a crack , but the thing was that there was no other option available where i live. Which brings us back to: Piracy is a market failure, not a cultural failure.
- kybernetyk 13y ago
  Theft is a market failure, not a cultural failure.
  - RyanMcGreal 13y ago
    Repeat after me: piracy is not theft.
    - jessaustin 13y ago
      To be precise, "piracy" isn't even piracy. After all, it's not murder, kidnapping, and plunder on the high seas.
      - RyanMcGreal 13y ago
        Thank you - you're quite right. I should have written, "copying isn't theft".
      - twerquie 13y ago
        It shouldn't be a surprise to you that words can have more than one meaning.

Jagat 13y ago

Release it on PC and keep your finger crossed while a cracker team cracks the drm and releases it on a torrent site.

goldudu 13y ago
yeah and thats exactly the reason we all migrated to consoles, pc gaming age is over just b'cas of those crackers, the all industry is useless without online network mode games - so that games would not be cracked.