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@vaksel Correction, I was distinguishing the 335 from the X6, we are using the 335d. As for why not the 335i, The carbon footprint is worse than the 335d given
by jrogers 17y ago
@vaksel Correction, I was distinguishing the 335 from the X6, we are using the 335d. As for why not the 335i, The carbon footprint is worse than the 335d given that it is 30% less fuel efficient. We are focused on changing the impact of vehicles and this is a good way to start. If we were going to go for a gas system, we are prepared to offer the LS series engines. More hp by 430 vs 300. I hear you on the "Performance, Reliability, Price...choose 2" That has been true in the past, but we do not think that applies when you compare our product+experience to others product. LM is "Design, Performance, Buildability, Price...choose 3 (green is a given)". Our customers want great looking and great performance, and don't want to be keyed in the parking lot for driving something whose mpg is measured in gpm vice mpg. If someone wants to race and get more than the 425lb-ft from the 335d, then they have the room to swap to an LS7 and to crank it up.
As for road legal, you are thinking of passenger car specs, this vehicle would classify as a mixed use vehicle in which case many of the FMVSS specs to which you are referring would not be applicable. Hope that helps.
As for buggies and dirtbikes occupying the market...I guess I am just not going to be able to convince you and should not try. But here goes. ATVs and Bikes are a TOTALLY different experience which require a much more fit rider and mindset. Buggies are not anywhere near as capable as "trucks" made for this landscape (to be precise, we are talking about 25mph max vs 70mph avg.) Then there is the subject of Pre-running. Much of it today is done either in sand-rail/types or in sup'd up F-150/types. Most races (i.e. Reno to Vegas) are pre-run in a column of cars where you are simply eating dust the entire day. So sandrails are miserable, go ask John Marking of Fox Racing. As for sup'd up F-150 types after spending in excess of 150K you will have 10 inches of wheel travel and a 7000lb vehicle that needs a 700+ hp engine to move it, and it becomes a veritable space race of mass and power. The whole point is that no company has ever seen the profit in making cars for this size market, but LM makes cars with a much lower break-even volume allowing us to access a much smaller niche. Even if you are right and the market is not as large as we would want, we will have invested less than $2MM in the build program, so we can afford to scrap it and move on to the next ...compare this to Fisker or Tesla (other startup car co.'s) that have each raised in excess of $200MM and only have 1 model competing in very VERY busy marget segments.
As for MA, you are at Y-Combinator and should understand this. Just because we are starting in MA doesn't mean that we are finishing here. We are in a small startup Ops Center. We have 2 letters of intent on properties in Phoenix and are already working on our MA model. When we started we had no idea that the community would like the performance off-road desert racing segment, so we couldn't predict where would be best to go...so we dove in and got started. Hindsight is 20-20, but I prefer to get going. After all, this is unlike any start-up in any typical venture type market, so some of the nimble ideas do not apply as well. We are building a car company in an intensely difficult time and are taking risks where we feel appropriate and necessary and taking them large. Where we do not need to take risk, we are intensely conservative. I also hope that this helps.
Again, I am so stoked that you care enough to dig and to answer. I really think that our community could use your insight...hope you will join www.local-motors.com
- vaksel 17y agoWell the 335i vs 335d is a difference of only 10 mpg...sure it sounds great to say 30% more efficient, but thats something people care about in daily drivers, not the weekend toys. And yes the LSx would be a better choice, I was just giving the example of the 335i just because its another bmw engine. I just don't believe that there are that many green gearheads to gamble the stake of the company on. Not when you have people running test pipes just to get a few extra horsepower. Yes people want a good looking car, yes they want to have great performance, as far as the keying thing that pretty much never happens. The only times I heard of cars getting keyed involved a bat shit crazy ex girlfriend. The thing is, why not offer the LSx as manufacturer installed option. In the build stage it makes pretty much zero difference on what engine to put in. Give the people the choice. Same goes for SEMA, you'll get much friendlier coverage if the demo model has a real engine under the hood. If you do, the coverage will focus on the car company. If you choose to use the 335d engine, the coverage will focus on ridiculing the engine choice. Its just too easy of a target. I'll take your word about the mixed use thing, since I couldn't really find anything about it. But I don't think its as easy as you are hoping for it to be. I mean, its pretty much impossible to import a car from Japan or Europe and make it road legal. Well like I said its not really my segment, I like to stick to tarmac. And yeah Tesla and Fisker have invested a ton more money, but lets face it, they are doing a completely different thing since their cars are electric. And require a much larger support system, + they've actually finished their cars. And there is no reason to scrap the thing, something like this(although a little meaner looking) would probably do quiet well in a place like Dubai. How did you actually pick this thing over some of the other designs? I mean I honestly can't see anyone picking this thing if they had other choices that included super cars. You sure you didn't get spammed by the designer using a bunch of proxies? And there is nothing wrong with taking risks, it just seems like in this situation, you are taking it for no apparent reason. I mean lets face it, with 2,000 cars, you could build a copy of Pontiac Aztec, and still sell your full inventory over a few years. So why start out in a market with zero mainstream appeal? Why not think long term? Instead of building a car for a tiny market, build something for the mainstream enthusiast. Instead of targeting the few thousand offroaders, target the millions of sports car enthusiasts. There is plenty of space for a U.S. version of TVR. And the $45K-75K sport coupe market is pretty bare. Plenty of opportunity to enter with an exotic looking limited production super car that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Dunno about joining the site, maybe when you add the general message board, where it'll be more of a real discussion and not just a commenting system to a bunch of photoshops.