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Here's my contribution: ----------------- Approach 1: Absent new information, we cannot improve our outcomes. In the montey hall problem there is either obs
by thatthatis 13y ago
Here's my contribution:
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Approach 1: Absent new information, we cannot improve our outcomes.
In the montey hall problem there is either obscure new information, or a obscure change in the rules between firs choice and second choice.
Montey hall collapses to an initial choice of the prize behind door A or the prizes behind both door B and C. When the true, collapsed, choice is revealed the common sense reasoning is correct.
In this problem there is no new usable information.
In the two envelopes problem the new information appears relevant but is actually not on it's own any more useful to reasoning about expected value than knowing that there is a red or green piece of paper in either envelope.
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Approach 2: Keeping the quantities symbolic.
There are two envelops with quantities x and y inside. We are told that 2x = y. After choosing it is revealed that our envelope has quantity z. It is not revealed if z=x or z=y.
Let's consider the universe of possibilities.
Possibility one (50% chance): z = y. Value of switching: -x
Possibility two (50% chance): z = x. Value of switching: +x
Therefore the value or switching is: .5 * -x + .5* +x = +/-0
The red herring here is that knowing value z feels like it is information about values x and y, but it isn't.
The slight of hand is in trying to say that the other envelope is worth either .5z or 2z. This is false because there is an unknown but fixed universal constant variable x. We don't know from the available information if we are in universe z=x or universe z=y.
In short: The two envelopes paradox mistakes an unknown constant for an unknown variable. Knowing that z = 20 doesn't change the universal constants x and y.
- bluecalm 13y agoApproach 1: There is in fact new information when you look into the envelope it's also very valuable because it allows you make judgement taking into account your knowledge about the world and specific situation (who puts money in the envelopes, what are general preferences of people in such situations etc.). Approach 2: You made the same mistake. Seeing the money is actually valuable and very real information. The problem is that original reasoning makes wrong use of it. It doesn't mean there is no information or that we can/should ignore it.
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- thatthatis 13y agoIf the new information is relevant, how is this simulation code wrong? https://gist.github.com/tedtieken/6567112 https://gist.github.com/tedtieken/6567112
- bluecalm 13y agoThe code is wrong because there is an assumption that the distribution is 50% for 10$ and 50% for 20$. There no basis for this (how do you know you won't got 40$ if you see 20$ ?). See my other posts, I think this point is very well worth thinking about.