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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why 16-year-old girls leave programming. Remember, guys ganging up on you and telling them to make them a sandwich is just fu

by kaitai 13y ago

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why 16-year-old girls leave programming. Remember, guys ganging up on you and telling them to make them a sandwich is just funny! You're so thin-skinned, ladies! thought police! http://hoydenabouttown.com/20110218.9512/sexist-joke-bingo/ http://hoydenabouttown.com/20110218.9512/sexist-joke-bingo/ ...almost got bingo... good work, cookiecaper.

cookiecaper 13y ago
I didn't say it was funny or that being offended wasn't an OK response. I simply believe that we should handle potentially "offensive" situations wisely, instead of curling up and quitting. It is more than fine to voice your complaint and indicate that a so-called joke makes you uncomfortable and expect your peers to respect those feelings. It is also an effective requirement to recognize that you aren't always going to be able to get people to stop saying things you don't like, and that you can't let it cripple you. And I only see hits in two squares on the "sexist joke bingo", not that it matters.
- azernik 13y ago
  kaltai quite specifically called you out for the trope "you're so thin-skinned!". Quoth you: > But I also think we shouldn't be so thin-skinned that we shrivel up and quit the first time a trite, cliched joke is thrown our way
serf 13y ago
that's the most PC thing I've seen all week. and I mean that in the worst possible way.
- kaitai 13y ago
  It's just an easy algorithm for detecting trite arguments! Makes some of these discussion more amusing for those of us who get to hear 'em a lot, and Lord knows we need some amusement.
- codygman 13y ago
  > Third, "politically correct" is a label principally used by reactionary dullards to dismiss arguments or objections that they see as excessively leftist. It's equivalent to calling someone a commie. Mind you, some people are communists, some people are knee-jerk excessive leftists, etc... but if that's true in a particular situation, you can just explain why it's true. Calling it "political correctness" is just a lowbrow dismissal. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6358263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6358263
Dylan16807 13y ago
>is just funny Why is it that people misreading comments to call them out almost always come off as bigger asses than the people they're replying to?
- kaitai 13y ago
  The post I was responding to did refer to the sandwich comment as a "joke" and jokes are generally defined to be "funny." I would not consider the sandwich comment a joke, myself, since it doesn't fulfill the criteria I have for a joke, but apparently the poster I was responding to does consider it a joke (even if not one he likes, per se). Thus to the poster it does fulfill the criteria for a joke, whether good or not, and thus it is not inaccurate to rephrase those criteria, including funniness.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    The poster characterized it as a joke, but did not say that that excused it. Your reading of the post as defending every aspect of the situation is what I object to. And unfunny, bad-taste jokes are still jokes. I can talk about the KKK member's standup routine and call his words jokes without saying that I found them funny.
derleth 13y ago
People can talk about how the real world is without endorsing it or thinking it should continue to be that way. Do you understand the statement above? If not, I'll quit wasting my time.
invalidOrTaken 13y ago
Fine members of the audience, I give you the Myers Shuffle. http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html Will you take the free space kaltai, or can we stop trying to use rhetorical tricks like talking dismissively about(rather than to) and trying to out-meta the other?

by kaitai 13y ago

cookiecaper 13y ago

I didn't say it was funny or that being offended wasn't an OK response. I simply believe that we should handle potentially "offensive" situations wisely, instead of curling up and quitting. It is more than fine to voice your complaint and indicate that a so-called joke makes you uncomfortable and expect your peers to respect those feelings. It is also an effective requirement to recognize that you aren't always going to be able to get people to stop saying things you don't like, and that you can't let it cripple you. And I only see hits in two squares on the "sexist joke bingo", not that it matters.

azernik 13y ago
kaltai quite specifically called you out for the trope "you're so thin-skinned!". Quoth you: > But I also think we shouldn't be so thin-skinned that we shrivel up and quit the first time a trite, cliched joke is thrown our way

serf 13y ago

that's the most PC thing I've seen all week. and I mean that in the worst possible way.

kaitai 13y ago
It's just an easy algorithm for detecting trite arguments! Makes some of these discussion more amusing for those of us who get to hear 'em a lot, and Lord knows we need some amusement.
codygman 13y ago
> Third, "politically correct" is a label principally used by reactionary dullards to dismiss arguments or objections that they see as excessively leftist. It's equivalent to calling someone a commie. Mind you, some people are communists, some people are knee-jerk excessive leftists, etc... but if that's true in a particular situation, you can just explain why it's true. Calling it "political correctness" is just a lowbrow dismissal. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6358263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6358263

Dylan16807 13y ago

>is just funny Why is it that people misreading comments to call them out almost always come off as bigger asses than the people they're replying to?

kaitai 13y ago
The post I was responding to did refer to the sandwich comment as a "joke" and jokes are generally defined to be "funny." I would not consider the sandwich comment a joke, myself, since it doesn't fulfill the criteria I have for a joke, but apparently the poster I was responding to does consider it a joke (even if not one he likes, per se). Thus to the poster it does fulfill the criteria for a joke, whether good or not, and thus it is not inaccurate to rephrase those criteria, including funniness.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  The poster characterized it as a joke, but did not say that that excused it. Your reading of the post as defending every aspect of the situation is what I object to. And unfunny, bad-taste jokes are still jokes. I can talk about the KKK member's standup routine and call his words jokes without saying that I found them funny.

derleth 13y ago

People can talk about how the real world is without endorsing it or thinking it should continue to be that way. Do you understand the statement above? If not, I'll quit wasting my time.

invalidOrTaken 13y ago

Fine members of the audience, I give you the Myers Shuffle. http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html http://squid314.livejournal.com/329561.html Will you take the free space kaltai, or can we stop trying to use rhetorical tricks like talking dismissively about(rather than to) and trying to out-meta the other?