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He's absolutely saying you shouldn't say "beautiful women" in such context. It assumes a heteronormative misogynistic view of the world. Why didn't it say "th
by seiji 13y ago
He's absolutely saying you shouldn't say "beautiful women" in such context. It assumes a heteronormative misogynistic view of the world.
Why didn't it say "the hot CR men?"
"PC" isn't a flat overboard restriction of expression, it's for advancing a mutual respect of people. Your admission of "women are open ogled" isn't something to be proud of—it's backwards and needs to be corrected by society.
- benologist 13y agoPerhaps he didn't say "the hot CR men" because his personal preference is for women? If he does not find men attractive why should he (or anyone of any persuasion) be required to declare them equally as attractive?
- jacalata 13y agoHe wasn't declaring that he loved the women. He was declaring that you, as a group of (single, male) software engineers, will love the women. Why should HN be "required" to fall in line with his preferences?
- benologist 13y agoIn a room full of men under most circumstances there's going to be between some and most that love women. Addressing that group is not automatically the same as disparaging any other. > Why should HN be "required" to fall in line with his preferences? An excellent question. Why should HN be "required" to fall in line with your preferences? Especially when we can have our own that may or may not include everyone all the time.
- jacalata 13y agoI can see why you're confused. I am actually objecting to the idea that HN and software in general is just 'a room full of men'.
- benologist 13y agoIt's really the same argument, and response: not being explicitly included isn't really the same as being excluded and certainly not maliciously excluded.
- seiji 13y agoIt is the same, but when you are in the common majority class of oppressors (white, straight, male), it's difficult to see how your default views affect others negatively.
- benologist 13y agoIs oppression still a thing? Seems like in this day and age [1] there is an awful lot of opportunity out there for all types of people to rise all the way up in society or government or anything else. [1] My sister's a lesbian and a doctor. My ex's brother is from a tiny little town in Nicaragua (very poor country) now attending med school in Barcelona on a full scholarship. My country (Australia)'s prime minister is a woman. The USA has a black president. Costa Rica (my daughter's country) has women in positions of power and authority all the way up to the president and that's not at all uncommon.
- jacalata 13y agoWas a woman. And you might have heard a speech she made about sexism.
- prawn 13y agoI didn't read the "you" as the group but just as the OP. In which case is it so much about sexism in IT or more about the lack of consideration that OP might be gay?
- parennoob 13y agoI think Costa Rican society (which, incidentally, has a female President) can decide for itself what needs to be corrected and what doesn't. Why are you so sure you know what is best for them?
- seiji 13y agoI know what's best for them because it's just a low calorie version of the institutional abuse of women in India (https://medium.com/the-state-of-india-1/b50ee55ba5ff https://medium.com/the-state-of-india-1/b50ee55ba5ff and http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1023053 http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1023053), and who would argue Indian society should just accept it because it's what they do?
- benologist 13y agoI'm confused why you think these countries are in any way similar? Their cultures are vastly different, latinos adopted a lot of Spanish (etc) centuries ago and are 90+ percent Catholic, a church that has officially frowned on child-rape for over a decade. I'm also confused why you think imposing your views on latinos, who typically love women, and as many as they can, will solve inequality in India.
- jacalata 13y agoThe comment was about whether the comment should be made in hacker news, not costa rica.
- GrinningFool 13y ago> Your admission of "women are open ogled" isn't something to be proud of—it's backwards and needs to be corrected by society. Unless men are also openly ogled.
- ubi 13y agoYes, correcting other societies' backward ways is what the west does best.