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Instead of attacking them with "smug pricks" and "complete ass", read their reasoning. Look at the code. Do you want your js to be creating functions all the t

by axod 17y ago

Instead of attacking them with "smug pricks" and "complete ass", read their reasoning. Look at the code. Do you want your js to be creating functions all the time? Is it worth it? My personal stance, is that you simply don't need a javascript library. The browser differences are very small, and not rocket science to work with. Learning javascript > learning jquery | prototype | etc I agree though, people build cool stuff with jquery. This thread is just people pointing out that if you care how fast your webapp runs, or how much memory it uses, then using a library is probably a bad idea.

jemmons 17y ago
Instead of attacking them with "smug pricks" and "complete ass", read their reasoning. I don't wanna. Because they're smug pricks. Next?
- axod 17y ago
  Come on. If you put code out there, you're going to have "smug pricks" showing you why it completely sucks. You can either take on board their criticism, or ignore it. I'd say it's worth taking it on board to improve the code. Regardless of how smugly it's put.
  - knowtheory 17y ago
    organization is politics. If someone is so obnoxious that they can only contribute in a manner as poisonous as this, then what the hell is the point of including them? It's not worth the collective psychic grief. There's enough fighting amongst people who mean well and are trying to steer projects in the best manner they can. If someone is choosing the be an asshole, then they can get lost. There's no excuse for the abuse.
    - Semiapies 17y ago
      For that matter, it's very rare that any random asshole really is some special snowflake of a talent who can't be profitably replaced by someone with social skills.
  - DavidMark 17y ago
    Well, only if it completely sucks. :)
- DavidMark 17y ago
  That's the jQuery spirit! They wanna be, but they don't wanna know how.
  - jemmons 17y ago
    I'd say it's more emblematic of the spirit of asshole pricks who think, because they know a better way, they have a right to be heard. Just ain't so, my friend. You could have the sweetest sort algorithm heretofore known only to the gods. But it won't do you a lick of good if you cannot marshal the civility necessary to engage in honest dialog with interested peers. The OP does not come close to meeting this criteria. You want to play with the other kids? You have to play nice. It doesn't matter if you have the shiniest ball or fanciest bat. That's not what a community is about.
    - JoeSchmoe2 17y ago
      I'd say you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. That much is clear.
evgen 17y ago
I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all. I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week. jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost.
- axod 17y ago
  That's a really really short term view. Which may be appropriate for some things, but not for others.
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- DavidMark 17y ago
  "I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all." http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html "I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week." Then you should be fired. "jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost." They "chain" 50 lines together into two, which makes them virtually impossible to read or debug (especially for neophyte coders.) All of that time you "saved" is coming back to you eventually in spades. Count on it.
- JoeSchmoe2 17y ago
  LOL. http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html And those are samples chosen by the jQuery developers, specifically for this test.
- DavidMark 17y ago
  "I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all." http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html "I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week." Then you should be fired. "jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost." They "chain" 50 lines together into two, which makes them virtually impossible to read or debug (especially for neophyte coders.) All of that time you "saved" is coming back to you eventually in spades. Count on it.

by axod 17y ago

jemmons 17y ago

Instead of attacking them with "smug pricks" and "complete ass", read their reasoning. I don't wanna. Because they're smug pricks. Next?

axod 17y ago
Come on. If you put code out there, you're going to have "smug pricks" showing you why it completely sucks. You can either take on board their criticism, or ignore it. I'd say it's worth taking it on board to improve the code. Regardless of how smugly it's put.
- knowtheory 17y ago
  organization is politics. If someone is so obnoxious that they can only contribute in a manner as poisonous as this, then what the hell is the point of including them? It's not worth the collective psychic grief. There's enough fighting amongst people who mean well and are trying to steer projects in the best manner they can. If someone is choosing the be an asshole, then they can get lost. There's no excuse for the abuse.
  - Semiapies 17y ago
    For that matter, it's very rare that any random asshole really is some special snowflake of a talent who can't be profitably replaced by someone with social skills.
- DavidMark 17y ago
  Well, only if it completely sucks. :)
DavidMark 17y ago
That's the jQuery spirit! They wanna be, but they don't wanna know how.
- jemmons 17y ago
  I'd say it's more emblematic of the spirit of asshole pricks who think, because they know a better way, they have a right to be heard. Just ain't so, my friend. You could have the sweetest sort algorithm heretofore known only to the gods. But it won't do you a lick of good if you cannot marshal the civility necessary to engage in honest dialog with interested peers. The OP does not come close to meeting this criteria. You want to play with the other kids? You have to play nice. It doesn't matter if you have the shiniest ball or fanciest bat. That's not what a community is about.
  - JoeSchmoe2 17y ago
    I'd say you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. That much is clear.

evgen 17y ago

I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all. I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week. jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost.

axod 17y ago
That's a really really short term view. Which may be appropriate for some things, but not for others.
- deleted 17y ago
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DavidMark 17y ago
"I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all." http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html "I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week." Then you should be fired. "jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost." They "chain" 50 lines together into two, which makes them virtually impossible to read or debug (especially for neophyte coders.) All of that time you "saved" is coming back to you eventually in spades. Count on it.
JoeSchmoe2 17y ago
LOL. http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html And those are samples chosen by the jQuery developers, specifically for this test.
DavidMark 17y ago
"I think the problem here is that there are still people who think that a 1-5% performance difference on a webapp means anything at all." http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html http://dante.dojotoolkit.org/taskspeed/report/charts.html "I would trade 5% of my app performance for 5% more code out of developers any day of the week." Then you should be fired. "jQuery and other libraries my an inefficient "crutch", but if lets a coder get the job done in one or two lines instead of 50 the crutch is worth the cost." They "chain" 50 lines together into two, which makes them virtually impossible to read or debug (especially for neophyte coders.) All of that time you "saved" is coming back to you eventually in spades. Count on it.