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Most people love Google, they offer useful services. I think they'll be one of the bigger 'disappointments' in this whole scene as it fully unravels. The entire

Most people love Google, they offer useful services. I think they'll be one of the bigger 'disappointments' in this whole scene as it fully unravels. The entire system needs to be decentralised, and quickly.

psbp 13y ago
It's going to be a herculean effort to simulate google's (and other's) services fast enough to attract loyal users. All these big tech companies' services are extremely valuable and it's hard to convince the general consumer to forfeit convenience for the sake of security, but I guess that was the idea all along. We might as well start now.
- perlpimp 13y ago
  I think companies can sponsor community projects just the way Apache was sponsored. Replacement for online email, documents and other services - in software. The ones that people can run on their own. I think it is not a pipe dream. Some social and organizing groundwork needs to be done. :)
  - Amadou 13y ago
    I think companies can sponsor community projects just the way Apache was sponsored. Apache provided value to its corporate sponsors. Free software that you run on your system, like your phone, doesn't put money in the pockets of any corporations, except possibly the cell carriers who have not been at all ashamed of their cosy relationship with the NSA.
- malandrew 13y ago
  I'm hoping that someone sees value in creating and open source business around the CommonCrawl data, with a similar strategy as NodeJitsu, who opened source enough of their work that others could build a parallel business to them. This approach is appropriate where the market will only exist if enough private actors realize that they need to cooperate for the market to exist at all. BitCoin is a perfect example of a similar ecosystem. It's a collective, distributed startup. Search tech beyond what Google is requires a similar cooperative effort. Right now the CommonCrawl data set is so big and the cost of setting up all the infrastructure to work on it is so expensive, that few people have the luxury to explore how search engines might work differently. I don't know how the search algo team does its job at Google, but it would be awesome if the interface made available to them was offered as a service that anyone could build a search business off of. That would be a great first step in allowing specialized search engines for specific verticals/domains to take off.
espeed 13y ago
It could cause a crisis of faith in all those who trusted Google as the most secure, safest bet for their data and devices. It's like pulling out a pivotal piece in Jinga, your belief system crumbles. You probably won't continue to hear, "Since you've gotta' trust somebody, I trust Google." Unless Google does something drastic, this could destroy all the goodwill Google built into its brand. It could turn Google into Microsoft.
- mr_spothawk 13y ago
  >It could cause a crisis of faith in all those who trusted Google... Only if we tell all the people we encouraged to use google that we were wrong. I speak for myself here, but I've encouraged a lot of google adoption in my friends and relatives. I regret it deeply, and don't know what to recommend to them now.

psbp 13y ago

It's going to be a herculean effort to simulate google's (and other's) services fast enough to attract loyal users. All these big tech companies' services are extremely valuable and it's hard to convince the general consumer to forfeit convenience for the sake of security, but I guess that was the idea all along. We might as well start now.

perlpimp 13y ago
I think companies can sponsor community projects just the way Apache was sponsored. Replacement for online email, documents and other services - in software. The ones that people can run on their own. I think it is not a pipe dream. Some social and organizing groundwork needs to be done. :)
- Amadou 13y ago
  I think companies can sponsor community projects just the way Apache was sponsored. Apache provided value to its corporate sponsors. Free software that you run on your system, like your phone, doesn't put money in the pockets of any corporations, except possibly the cell carriers who have not been at all ashamed of their cosy relationship with the NSA.
malandrew 13y ago
I'm hoping that someone sees value in creating and open source business around the CommonCrawl data, with a similar strategy as NodeJitsu, who opened source enough of their work that others could build a parallel business to them. This approach is appropriate where the market will only exist if enough private actors realize that they need to cooperate for the market to exist at all. BitCoin is a perfect example of a similar ecosystem. It's a collective, distributed startup. Search tech beyond what Google is requires a similar cooperative effort. Right now the CommonCrawl data set is so big and the cost of setting up all the infrastructure to work on it is so expensive, that few people have the luxury to explore how search engines might work differently. I don't know how the search algo team does its job at Google, but it would be awesome if the interface made available to them was offered as a service that anyone could build a search business off of. That would be a great first step in allowing specialized search engines for specific verticals/domains to take off.

espeed 13y ago

It could cause a crisis of faith in all those who trusted Google as the most secure, safest bet for their data and devices. It's like pulling out a pivotal piece in Jinga, your belief system crumbles. You probably won't continue to hear, "Since you've gotta' trust somebody, I trust Google." Unless Google does something drastic, this could destroy all the goodwill Google built into its brand. It could turn Google into Microsoft.

mr_spothawk 13y ago
>It could cause a crisis of faith in all those who trusted Google... Only if we tell all the people we encouraged to use google that we were wrong. I speak for myself here, but I've encouraged a lot of google adoption in my friends and relatives. I regret it deeply, and don't know what to recommend to them now.