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This guy is either pretending to be an idiot or really does not appear to understand just how complex everything is. The whole "thing" that is "fucked" is there

• ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  Ryan Dahl created Node. He's not just some schmuck.
  • 10098 13y ago
    I know. That doesn't mean he can't be incorrect about something. Let's not appeal to authority here.
    • ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
      Fine, let's all go back to business as usual of calling people idiots to make ourselves feel superior, HN.
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  • 10098 13y ago
    Also, I didn't mean to say that he writes crappy code. What I meant was, those who already write crappy code will now be less inclined to improve because some tech-celebrity said it's okay.
    • ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
      Those are fighting words bro I'll send you a code sample right now see whose the ninja. Look, you can't just throw cheap shots, that's all deuche. What was the need for calling him an idiot or incompetent?
      • mathrawka 13y ago
        I agree, no need to call anyone an idiot or incompetent. But, I would not want Ryan writing code that people completely trust to live on (hospital equipment, NASA, etc). That does not make him an incompetent person. Just someone with opinions of wanting to keep things as minimalistic as possible which is just one of the many paths available for us to choose in life. In some cases, this is great, in others it is not.
        • seanmcdirmid 13y ago
          I wouldn't trust most developers to write code for hospital equipment, NASA, Boeing, etc...even myself (I'm not that kind of programmer) and probably you (though I don't know your background). It takes a certain kind of programmer to write safety critical code, and they have to have some amount of training in that direction. Diversity is good anyways.
        • nemothekid 13y ago
          If you write every piece of code like how one would write hospital equipment or mission critical code, then you are wasting your time and money. Just like I wouldn't expect a civil engineer to build a bridge in a suburb capable of holding 5 Tons because "NASA does it that way because their spaceships are heavy" I wouldn't expect the same guarantees from software engineers writing an image sharing application.
  • rdtsc 13y ago
    > Ryan Dahl created Node. He's not just some schmuck. --- "The only interesting languages are C/C++, Go, Dart, JS (and possibly Rust). Everything else is legacy bullshit." "Node.js has linear speedup over multiple cores for web servers.” There is also the one about math not being useful for computer programmers and how programming is just like playing with duplo block and legos. --- I don't know. Node scaling linearly over multiple cores. I can see how many would agree with you saying he created node.js but might think twice about the schmuck label.
• msutherl 13y ago
  Yo, the point is that the complexity is there because the well-intentioned and simple underlying systems were not properly scaled to meet the demands of modern applications. At no point does he suggest that you should eschew the tools that are in place to maintain the current complexity – that would be nonsensical, as you pointed out. He's arguing that we should use the system as it was designed, if that's at all possible, or re-architect the system to handle modern application complexity without increasing system complexity unnecessarily. Achieving this would be near impossible – see Plan9, Minix, VPRI, and Squeak for "failed" attempts – hence this being a rant and not a serious proposal. Note also that Ryan is a mathematician. Mathematicians hate engineering because there's nothing to protect real-world systems from little accidents that compound over time. No proof, no piece of code, no matter how elegant, can reverse the thousands of bad design decisions that have resulted in the modern Linux ecosystem.