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I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

by gaving 13y ago

pearjuice 13y ago
The one offering the best product. Or are you saying you are judging by appearance?
- michaelbarton 13y ago
  I think it's a fair point, judging by appearances may be instinctual if not conscious. The current git website (http://git-scm.com/ http://git-scm.com/) looks the way it does because of an effort to replace the old one (http://web.archive.org/web/20120101013850/http://git-scm.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120101013850/http://git-scm.com... and https://github.com/blog/1125-new-git-homepage https://github.com/blog/1125-new-git-homepage).
  - Watabou 13y ago
    You know, I actually like the old git website. It's less cluttered and looks cleaner. Maybe it's just me? The new git website does look modern but with all the logos and unneeded images, it's sort of disorienting.
    - ics 13y ago
      I completely agree. It's polished, but by no means "homely" if you know what I mean. Usually when I have a question about git I end up on StackOverflow, but once in a while I click a link to git-scm.com and about halfway through finding my answer I start wondering to myself where the "Buy Now" button is.
digipaper 13y ago
The free one?
tiziano88 13y ago
The one that is pre-installed pretty much everywhere and can run in a terminal
farslan 13y ago
Look at my project subvim: https://github.com/fatih/subvim https://github.com/fatih/subvim It's sublime features include into vim. Give it a try and maybe you'll like it :)
noir_lord 13y ago
Neither. I use an IDE for code, FocusWriter for just about everything else involving text and nano for server work (I'm can use vim if needed but I prefer nano for quick config file edits and after using it for a decade muscle memory isn't worth fighting).
briancurtin 13y ago
Vim.
Watabou 13y ago
The one that saves me $70.
sigzero 13y ago
Vim and its siblings have been around for YEARS and I can install it everywhere I work.
elithrar 13y ago
Both. I adore Sublime Text, and use it where I can, but there are instances where I need to work on something remotely. Bug fixes, git rebasing, etc; and that's where I lean on Vim.
ceol 13y ago
The one that doesn't require months of training to get at a productive level. /ducks All editor-fanboyism aside, who cares? I spent $59 on ST2 and it was, by far, the best $59 I've ever spent. But if someone is more comfortable with vim or emacs or nano or gedit, I don't care. It doesn't bother me, as long as you're making something.
zmmmmm 13y ago
The one that is installed by default for free on every computer I ever use (except Windows, where it gets installed 5 mins after I start using it). For me, given that Vim is easily powerful enough to compete with any other editor, the benefits of ubiquity override anything else.
dsrguru 13y ago
Without a question, the one with text objects. Productivity is far greater with vim. Actually to be fair, Sublime's vim emulation mode implements a few text objects, but the proprietary source means no adding our own.
- venus 13y ago
  > Productivity is far greater with vim I don't agree with that at all. Vim is useful, perhaps, for a few text matching tricks but typing speed is rarely the bottleneck in programming. It's optimising for the wrong thing. The only people advocating for vim are those who have already gone through the pointless pain of 5 years learning to use the thing. It's basically a cult, or at least a club. And frankly, watching these vim "power users" is usually quite frustrating - they struggle to do trivial tasks which can be accomplished in sublime with a simple right mouse click. It is important to know the basic vim commands for when you are editing text via ssh but for everyday use sublime text is, IMO, superior in every way.
  - negatmx 13y ago
    I'm curious... What trivial tasks are vim power users struggling with?
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      None. He's talking out of his hat!
      - venus 13y ago
        Expose the current file in the side bar so you get a picture of its location in the dir tree? Install a package? Change the window size? I'm not talking out my hat at all. I notice no productivity improvements from using vim. Maybe some appear in different lines of work, but I'm not saying it just to annoy you. I don't notice Gentoo users being all that much more productive than Ubuntu users, either. It's basically a hobby to endlessly tweak your environment, and so is vim, IMO.
jlgreco 13y ago
The one that is future proof. I go to large lengths to only rely on software that is future proof, and a text editor is something that I naturally come to rely on.
chris_wot 13y ago
The one that you can modify the source and provide patches to, and that you can run in a terminal. And that doesn't cost anything.
rhizome31 13y ago
I love that picture on the Vim homepage.
pkj 13y ago
Have been a vi user for a long time. For c/c++ it is awesome and good enough. Sublime is fine too. Surprised no one mentioned Source Insight though ( unfortunately only windows ), was used in pretty big projects I was involved in. Speedy with auto-completion, caller/callee functions, beautiful syntax highlighting etc.. For large web programs ( html/js etc), once you use Sublime, no going back to VI. The plugin ecosystem for js fwks are awesome.

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

by gaving 13y ago

I love vim, but:- http://www.vim.org/ http://www.vim.org/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://www.sublimetext.com/ Which one would you want to use?

pearjuice 13y ago

The one offering the best product. Or are you saying you are judging by appearance?

michaelbarton 13y ago
I think it's a fair point, judging by appearances may be instinctual if not conscious. The current git website (http://git-scm.com/ http://git-scm.com/) looks the way it does because of an effort to replace the old one (http://web.archive.org/web/20120101013850/http://git-scm.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20120101013850/http://git-scm.com... and https://github.com/blog/1125-new-git-homepage https://github.com/blog/1125-new-git-homepage).
- Watabou 13y ago
  You know, I actually like the old git website. It's less cluttered and looks cleaner. Maybe it's just me? The new git website does look modern but with all the logos and unneeded images, it's sort of disorienting.
  - ics 13y ago
    I completely agree. It's polished, but by no means "homely" if you know what I mean. Usually when I have a question about git I end up on StackOverflow, but once in a while I click a link to git-scm.com and about halfway through finding my answer I start wondering to myself where the "Buy Now" button is.

digipaper 13y ago

The free one?

tiziano88 13y ago

The one that is pre-installed pretty much everywhere and can run in a terminal

farslan 13y ago

Look at my project subvim: https://github.com/fatih/subvim https://github.com/fatih/subvim It's sublime features include into vim. Give it a try and maybe you'll like it :)

noir_lord 13y ago

Neither. I use an IDE for code, FocusWriter for just about everything else involving text and nano for server work (I'm can use vim if needed but I prefer nano for quick config file edits and after using it for a decade muscle memory isn't worth fighting).

briancurtin 13y ago

Vim.

Watabou 13y ago

The one that saves me $70.

sigzero 13y ago

Vim and its siblings have been around for YEARS and I can install it everywhere I work.

elithrar 13y ago

Both. I adore Sublime Text, and use it where I can, but there are instances where I need to work on something remotely. Bug fixes, git rebasing, etc; and that's where I lean on Vim.

ceol 13y ago

The one that doesn't require months of training to get at a productive level. /ducks All editor-fanboyism aside, who cares? I spent $59 on ST2 and it was, by far, the best $59 I've ever spent. But if someone is more comfortable with vim or emacs or nano or gedit, I don't care. It doesn't bother me, as long as you're making something.

zmmmmm 13y ago

The one that is installed by default for free on every computer I ever use (except Windows, where it gets installed 5 mins after I start using it). For me, given that Vim is easily powerful enough to compete with any other editor, the benefits of ubiquity override anything else.

dsrguru 13y ago

Without a question, the one with text objects. Productivity is far greater with vim. Actually to be fair, Sublime's vim emulation mode implements a few text objects, but the proprietary source means no adding our own.

venus 13y ago
> Productivity is far greater with vim I don't agree with that at all. Vim is useful, perhaps, for a few text matching tricks but typing speed is rarely the bottleneck in programming. It's optimising for the wrong thing. The only people advocating for vim are those who have already gone through the pointless pain of 5 years learning to use the thing. It's basically a cult, or at least a club. And frankly, watching these vim "power users" is usually quite frustrating - they struggle to do trivial tasks which can be accomplished in sublime with a simple right mouse click. It is important to know the basic vim commands for when you are editing text via ssh but for everyday use sublime text is, IMO, superior in every way.
- negatmx 13y ago
  I'm curious... What trivial tasks are vim power users struggling with?
  - chris_wot 13y ago
    None. He's talking out of his hat!
    - venus 13y ago
      Expose the current file in the side bar so you get a picture of its location in the dir tree? Install a package? Change the window size? I'm not talking out my hat at all. I notice no productivity improvements from using vim. Maybe some appear in different lines of work, but I'm not saying it just to annoy you. I don't notice Gentoo users being all that much more productive than Ubuntu users, either. It's basically a hobby to endlessly tweak your environment, and so is vim, IMO.

jlgreco 13y ago

The one that is future proof. I go to large lengths to only rely on software that is future proof, and a text editor is something that I naturally come to rely on.

chris_wot 13y ago

The one that you can modify the source and provide patches to, and that you can run in a terminal. And that doesn't cost anything.

rhizome31 13y ago

I love that picture on the Vim homepage.

pkj 13y ago

Have been a vi user for a long time. For c/c++ it is awesome and good enough. Sublime is fine too. Surprised no one mentioned Source Insight though ( unfortunately only windows ), was used in pretty big projects I was involved in. Speedy with auto-completion, caller/callee functions, beautiful syntax highlighting etc.. For large web programs ( html/js etc), once you use Sublime, no going back to VI. The plugin ecosystem for js fwks are awesome.