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Reading the original post and now this, I am making up my mind about NEVER doing anything as a favor. I am kind of involved in a college project. It's not abou

Reading the original post and now this, I am making up my mind about NEVER doing anything as a favor. I am kind of involved in a college project. It's not about money but after working on their website for a month or so, these guys had trouble even giving a link back to my portfolio. Some people really don't have conscience. I hope you get the payments.

daat418 13y ago
My experience - even with close friends and family - is that if the favour involves money, -expect- to get fucked over.
- lambda 13y ago
  I wouldn't say that you should expect to get fucked over. You should treat the favor as a gift, and not expect a quid pro quo. You shouldn't do more than you can afford as a gift for them; you shouldn't spend years of your life, or a large fraction of your salary, or anything of the sort. It's just a gift for a friend or family member. That way, you aren't left hanging, expecting something from them, and having that poison your relationship. Be very careful about letting some kind of debt or obligation hang over the head of a relationship that you care about.
  - daat418 13y ago
    Exactly.
ori_b 13y ago
Favors are favors, and business is business. I have no problems doing people favors, but those are done for free with no expectation of payment. If I'm expecting to be paid, I want it in writing.
incision 13y ago
">Reading the original post and now this, I am making up my mind about NEVER doing anything as a favor." In my experience, good people don't ask for such favors. Everyone who has asked or expected that from me has let me down. My relationship with the first and only person who talks compensation as a first course remains friendly and lucrative.
duncan_bayne 13y ago
No, that's entirely the wrong meaning to take. Favours are just fine, I've given and received many myself. Nothing wrong with doing someone a favour. The problem is not knowing when you should be doing favours, and when you should be doing business. If you help a friend with a coding problem he's having with his startup, that's a favour. If you give up other paid employment to help him found a startup, that's business, and you need contracts and payment and all the things that go with business.

daat418 13y ago

My experience - even with close friends and family - is that if the favour involves money, -expect- to get fucked over.

lambda 13y ago
I wouldn't say that you should expect to get fucked over. You should treat the favor as a gift, and not expect a quid pro quo. You shouldn't do more than you can afford as a gift for them; you shouldn't spend years of your life, or a large fraction of your salary, or anything of the sort. It's just a gift for a friend or family member. That way, you aren't left hanging, expecting something from them, and having that poison your relationship. Be very careful about letting some kind of debt or obligation hang over the head of a relationship that you care about.
- daat418 13y ago
  Exactly.

ori_b 13y ago

Favors are favors, and business is business. I have no problems doing people favors, but those are done for free with no expectation of payment. If I'm expecting to be paid, I want it in writing.

incision 13y ago

">Reading the original post and now this, I am making up my mind about NEVER doing anything as a favor." In my experience, good people don't ask for such favors. Everyone who has asked or expected that from me has let me down. My relationship with the first and only person who talks compensation as a first course remains friendly and lucrative.

duncan_bayne 13y ago

No, that's entirely the wrong meaning to take. Favours are just fine, I've given and received many myself. Nothing wrong with doing someone a favour. The problem is not knowing when you should be doing favours, and when you should be doing business. If you help a friend with a coding problem he's having with his startup, that's a favour. If you give up other paid employment to help him found a startup, that's business, and you need contracts and payment and all the things that go with business.