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LinuxMint 15 delivers smooth alternative to Ubuntu

55 points by tanglesome 13y ago

madsravn 13y ago
LinuxMint has been delivering a good alternative to Ubuntu for a while now. But I feel a lot of LinuxMint users are using it for the simple fact that it isn't Ubuntu, because running Ubuntu isn't hip anymore.
- therobot24 13y ago
  the mint interface is a lot like ubuntu before unity...i think that's why most flock to it from ubuntu
  - zik 13y ago
    That's the exact reason why I changed from Ubuntu to Mint. I really tried to like Unity on Ubuntu, but in the end it was a big improvement to change to Mint's non-Unity interface.
- Posibyte 13y ago
  I use Mint because I feel I have the access to the wide repositories that Ubuntu provides, including easy access to third-party software like Google Chrome, but I avoid a lot of problems I have with Ubuntu. Ubuntu tends to barf on my grub installation, Mint doesn't. Unity randomly crashes and stalls in both normal desktop usage and gaming (such as Team Fortress 2), while Mint doesn't include Unity. For some reason, Ubuntu will sometimes stall on boot when loading the Nvidia proprietary drivers for my Titan. Mint, for whatever reason, doesn't have this problem. And, I'll be honest, as a long-time Debian and Ubuntu user, Unity saddens me. I really love Debian and Ubuntu, but I feel like Unity and some new decisions they're making is the elephant in the room for me. Progress is great, but it's hurting my desktop experience.
  - shaneofalltrad 13y ago
    I actually have experienced the opposite. I have tried Ubuntu first, then all others to eventually go back to Ubuntu because it DOES NOT have the problems configuring other devices. Even mint gave me issues on some CPU's with either internet connection and/or monitor drivers.
  - hackula1 13y ago
    At risk of being trolled into oblivion, I have not found unity to be all that bad. Keyboard shortcuts seem fine to me. Dock on the left is only annoying when I pick the mouse (actually trackball), which is rare. I use OSX and have found its window system a bit better than that at least (not saying it's the best, but it is what I use often).
- Peaker 13y ago
  Unity is pretty terrible, and a huge step backwards. Mint reverts the huge step backwards.
  - sampo 13y ago
    Any Desktop Environment (Gnome 3, Cinnamon, Mate, KDE, Xfce, etc.) that you can use in Mint, you can also install (directly from the package manager) on Ubuntu. So the choice of a Desktop Environment should not alone be any strong reason to switch from Ubuntu to Mint.
    - GravityWell 13y ago
      The fact you can "install" it is simplistic. Manually adding a desktop environment on top of Unity is not the same as one carefully groomed to work seamlessly, which is what Mint delivers.
      - madsravn 13y ago
        carefully groomed to work seamlessly - I don't really know what you're talking about, but many Window Managers work pretty fine.
      - minor_nitwit 13y ago
        There are many releases of Ubuntu for almost each DE. For example, I'm running Ubuntu gnome edition, but there's Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, and then more specific things like Studio Edition, Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Touch, Ubuntu TV.
        Peaker 13y ago
        I've tried Xubuntu but XFce doesn't seem to work that well with Hebrew keyboard layouts, at least without more tinkering than I was willing to put into it. Dislike Kubuntu/KDE (I've used Ubuntu/gnome2 for long enough that I can no longer bear the look and feel of KDE). Maybe I should try Lubuntu... I've lost faith in the Ubuntu project though, I don't think they're capable of making the right decisions.
- pearjuice 13y ago
  Running Ubuntu was never hip to begin with. Arch is where it is at.
  - D9u 13y ago
    Or, to really be a hipster, running Linux was never "hip" to begin with. *BSD is where it's at.
    - drill_sarge 13y ago
      Debian GNU/Hurd m8
abimaelmartell 13y ago
"LinuxMint Developer Edition (LMDE)" -- http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2013/080513-linux-mint-test-272497.html?page=2 http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2013/080513-linux-mint-t... // WTF!
- 1O0101ll100O 13y ago
  A small oversight to be sure. [lol]
guelo 13y ago
Mint packages browsers to make money off of them, including the very questionable use of OpenDNS advertising pages as fallbacks for hostnames that are not found.
- deleted 13y ago
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- pallandt 13y ago
  I haven't used this distribution, but is it not possible to just change your namservers to Google's for example, or the ones provided by your ISP? The way you put it makes it sound like you're locked into using OpenDNS. I have used OpenDNS before and while I didn't like their ads in place of not found hostnames, it is part of their revenue model and they have to make something back for what they provide. It seems a reasonable exchange for a free service. I presume LinuxMint has some sort of partnership with them, but I don't see this as being evil, considering they also would probably want to make some money off their custom distro/work they put into it.
  - pserwylo 13y ago
    I feel the same about this as with the Ubuntu affliate-link issue: I appreciate the work that distro maintainers put in, and I understand that many would like to earn revenue somehow from the distribution. If you give us the option to opt-in, then I'm fine with that being part of your revenue model. The fact that people have the option to disable a feature doesn't make it any less sneaky or inappropriate to put in (in my opinion).
    - pallandt 13y ago
      The issue you mentioned is indeed quite sneaky, but getting a page full of ads when mistyping a domain name for example is very 'in your face' I'd say. I don't really understand how it could be interpreted as 'sneaky'. I think what truly might be bothering people is the fact that someone out there is just trying to profit off of them, some through less/more sleazy ways than others.
- 13y ago
gnuvince 13y ago
I've gone back to Debian after I grew sick and tired of Ubuntu. Wheezy is one, very smooth distribution, super stable, highly recommend it!
- japhyr 13y ago
  I learned Linux through Ubuntu, and I'm thinking of trying Debian. I want my daily desktop work to be on a distro that has a good parallel server distro. I don't administer servers every day, so it really helps if I can use a server that is closely tied with my laptop's distro.
  - relaxitup 13y ago
    Ubuntu hath not a good parallel server distro? It's quite suitable imo.
    - japhyr 13y ago
      Late reply, but just saw your response. I use ubuntu servers whenever I need to set up a server. I meant that if I move to a different distro on my desktop, I want to use a distro that also has a server version.
- MatthewPhillips 13y ago
  Same here, except I left Arch after getting tired of it breaking on upgrades all the time.
- hdra 13y ago
  How easy it is to install non-free packages in Debian? I myself have been considering to switch to Debian, the only thing holding me back is Debian's policy on not including packages that don't meet their requirement as "Free Software" in their official repository.
  - supergauntlet 13y ago
    You edit one file, uncomment the non-free repos, and do apt-get update. That's it.
brownbat 13y ago
I liked this parting jab: > subject to the mysteries of UEFI boots and the lunacy of diffuse BIOS variations that make installation of non-Windows operating systems on modern notebooks a travesty
- TheLegace 13y ago
  Hell yes, I've posted about this before. Due to issues with bootloader, I've lost my other Linux installations. And the inability for the installer to format the right hard drive even when you tell it which one to format is really a shame for the audience Mint is suppose to be for. I mean don't get me wrong Mint is great, but the installer sucks horribly.
- D9u 13y ago
  I haven't had to deal with UEFI yet, but there appears to be ways around secure boot, as the Fedora Project has been working on it for some time now. www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-on-windows-8-uefi-and-fedora/11187
- mmphosis 13y ago
  Is there a list of PC makers that make installation of non-Windows operating systems on modern notebooks easy?
dubcanada 13y ago
I use it cause cinnamon is amazeballs.. Even though you can get it on Ubuntu. I used to use #! just for blackbox or what ever their GUI was. But I must say, upgrading Linux Mint is a lot harder then upgrading Ubuntu.
- eksith 13y ago
  This is the one complaint I have about Mint. Since most of my things are on external drives, I've resorted to the wipe/install method of "upgrading" just so I can avoid the hassle. It's not a deal breaker by any stretch, but I do hope they can change this to be more streamlined in the future.
datalus 13y ago
I left Ubuntu/Debian/Mint for Arch and haven't looked back. True it's a ton of config more to deal with than Mint, but the documentation via the wiki and the community are solid. I've learned a lot thanks to diving head first into Arch.
- ddoolin 13y ago
  Definitely. There's no comparison. Especially for devs. Having the updated packages daily is great, too. The community is the best I've seen.
- the1 13y ago
  yah I like breaking updates. that thrill whenever I do pacman -Syu
adrianlmm 13y ago
I left Ubuntu for Fedora, because It offers a better GNOME Shell experience, I still try Ubuntu GNOME every new release, but till now Fedora feels faster and more stable.
subsection1h 13y ago
Linux Mint still doesn't support expert install,[1] which is a basic requirement of mine. (I think it should be renamed to intermediate install.) One reason why I prefer expert install is because the last time I tried the standard install, it didn't seem to allow /home to be encrypted with dm-crypt, only eCryptfs. I encrypt /home with dm-crypt because when I last searched for comparisons of eCryptfs and dm-crypt performance (2012), I read that dm-crypt is faster.[2][3][4][5][6][7] [1] http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=133968 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=133968 [2] http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/ssd-linux-benchmark http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/ssd-linux-benchmark [3] http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1110088-AR-1110066AR56 http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1110088-AR-1110066AR56 [4] http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/the-best-file-encryption-software-in-open-source http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/the-best-file-encryption-... [5] http://askubuntu.com/questions/100752/how-does-ecryptfs-impact-harddisk-performance http://askubuntu.com/questions/100752/how-does-ecryptfs-impa... [6] http://askubuntu.com/questions/138820/why-is-ecryptfs-so-slow-when-running-du-s http://askubuntu.com/questions/138820/why-is-ecryptfs-so-slo... [7] http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53191 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53191
yulaow 13y ago
There is one thing i hate of Mint and is the fact that it doesn't support dist-upgrade. Looking in the user guide of mint they suggest to "reinstall from scratch the os when there is a new version of Mint". Seriously, wtf. The direct os upgrade is one of my favorite features of linux and they just windowsized it.
- gmrple 13y ago
  Honestly, they were completely based off Ubuntu at one point, and I have found upgrading OS versions on the fly to be flaky to say the least. From what I've read, I am not the only one with issues, so it is hardly surprising that a distro going for being extremely user friendly would choose to make this particular option unsupported. I know now they have a Debian version, but I have no experience with dist-upgrade on Debian.
- SkyMarshal 13y ago
  If you put /home on its own partition [1], reinstalling linux from scratch becomes really easy, better than dist-upgrade imho. Backup your packages [2], overwrite / with the CD/DVD/USB installer, tell the installer to use the existing /home as the new installation's /home, then reinstall your backed up packages [2]. Any software you don't get from the repositories, keep on /home (git repos, JVM, etc). This essentially makes the system files disposable, rewriteable, overwriteable, reinstallable at will, while all the custom config and personal data resides on /home. Keep /home backed up to multiple media. Makes upgrading to a new version relatively painless, and you get the benefit of a fresh install. 1. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan/index.html http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan/i... 2. http://askubuntu.com/a/81112/20362 http://askubuntu.com/a/81112/20362
  - yulaow 13y ago
    I know perfectly that and infact i ever put /home in a different partition, as /boot and /var, but the big part of the config files are not in the /home but in /etc and i will lose all of them each time i have to reinstall from scratch. Dist-upgrade is one of the main advantage of a lot of distribution not rolling, and it has ever worked perfectly for me ( i remember having a ubuntu wm with 9.10 upgraded without problem since 12.04. After that i didn't need it more). Also thanks to that i have not to teach to my parents how to format and reinstall an os, they just need to press a button when the os itself warns them that there is a new version ready to download. It just that mint developers are more focused on make money spamming their ads everywhere rather that implement that basic feature.
smegel 13y ago
I switched to LMDE after I discovered Debian 6 used Gnome3 by default...I actually really like MATE, the "start menu" is really good, and it is easily customizable to make it look like Gnome2 otherwise.
- drill_sarge 13y ago
  stopped using LMDE a while ago and went back to Debian because there seemed no real developement going on in LMDE anymore and stuff breaking more often. how is it now? my best friend is always a debian testing netinstall and I can do what I want.
stephenr 13y ago
Obligatory: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/108/8/0/i_can__t_configure_debian_by_carnine9-d4wkixt.png http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/108/8/0/i_can__t_conf...

55 points by tanglesome 13y ago

LinuxMint has been delivering a good alternative to Ubuntu for a while now. But I feel a lot of LinuxMint users are using it for the simple fact that it isn't Ubuntu, because running Ubuntu isn't hip anymore.

therobot24 13y ago
the mint interface is a lot like ubuntu before unity...i think that's why most flock to it from ubuntu
- zik 13y ago
  That's the exact reason why I changed from Ubuntu to Mint. I really tried to like Unity on Ubuntu, but in the end it was a big improvement to change to Mint's non-Unity interface.
Posibyte 13y ago
I use Mint because I feel I have the access to the wide repositories that Ubuntu provides, including easy access to third-party software like Google Chrome, but I avoid a lot of problems I have with Ubuntu. Ubuntu tends to barf on my grub installation, Mint doesn't. Unity randomly crashes and stalls in both normal desktop usage and gaming (such as Team Fortress 2), while Mint doesn't include Unity. For some reason, Ubuntu will sometimes stall on boot when loading the Nvidia proprietary drivers for my Titan. Mint, for whatever reason, doesn't have this problem. And, I'll be honest, as a long-time Debian and Ubuntu user, Unity saddens me. I really love Debian and Ubuntu, but I feel like Unity and some new decisions they're making is the elephant in the room for me. Progress is great, but it's hurting my desktop experience.
- shaneofalltrad 13y ago
  I actually have experienced the opposite. I have tried Ubuntu first, then all others to eventually go back to Ubuntu because it DOES NOT have the problems configuring other devices. Even mint gave me issues on some CPU's with either internet connection and/or monitor drivers.
- hackula1 13y ago
  At risk of being trolled into oblivion, I have not found unity to be all that bad. Keyboard shortcuts seem fine to me. Dock on the left is only annoying when I pick the mouse (actually trackball), which is rare. I use OSX and have found its window system a bit better than that at least (not saying it's the best, but it is what I use often).
Peaker 13y ago
Unity is pretty terrible, and a huge step backwards. Mint reverts the huge step backwards.
- sampo 13y ago
  Any Desktop Environment (Gnome 3, Cinnamon, Mate, KDE, Xfce, etc.) that you can use in Mint, you can also install (directly from the package manager) on Ubuntu. So the choice of a Desktop Environment should not alone be any strong reason to switch from Ubuntu to Mint.
  - GravityWell 13y ago
    The fact you can "install" it is simplistic. Manually adding a desktop environment on top of Unity is not the same as one carefully groomed to work seamlessly, which is what Mint delivers.
    - madsravn 13y ago
      carefully groomed to work seamlessly - I don't really know what you're talking about, but many Window Managers work pretty fine.
    - minor_nitwit 13y ago
      There are many releases of Ubuntu for almost each DE. For example, I'm running Ubuntu gnome edition, but there's Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, and then more specific things like Studio Edition, Mythbuntu, Ubuntu Touch, Ubuntu TV.
      - Peaker 13y ago
        I've tried Xubuntu but XFce doesn't seem to work that well with Hebrew keyboard layouts, at least without more tinkering than I was willing to put into it. Dislike Kubuntu/KDE (I've used Ubuntu/gnome2 for long enough that I can no longer bear the look and feel of KDE). Maybe I should try Lubuntu... I've lost faith in the Ubuntu project though, I don't think they're capable of making the right decisions.
pearjuice 13y ago
Running Ubuntu was never hip to begin with. Arch is where it is at.
- D9u 13y ago
  Or, to really be a hipster, running Linux was never "hip" to begin with. *BSD is where it's at.
  - drill_sarge 13y ago
    Debian GNU/Hurd m8

abimaelmartell 13y ago

"LinuxMint Developer Edition (LMDE)" -- http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2013/080513-linux-mint-test-272497.html?page=2 http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2013/080513-linux-mint-t... // WTF!

1O0101ll100O 13y ago
A small oversight to be sure. [lol]

guelo 13y ago

Mint packages browsers to make money off of them, including the very questionable use of OpenDNS advertising pages as fallbacks for hostnames that are not found.

deleted 13y ago
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pallandt 13y ago
I haven't used this distribution, but is it not possible to just change your namservers to Google's for example, or the ones provided by your ISP? The way you put it makes it sound like you're locked into using OpenDNS. I have used OpenDNS before and while I didn't like their ads in place of not found hostnames, it is part of their revenue model and they have to make something back for what they provide. It seems a reasonable exchange for a free service. I presume LinuxMint has some sort of partnership with them, but I don't see this as being evil, considering they also would probably want to make some money off their custom distro/work they put into it.
- pserwylo 13y ago
  I feel the same about this as with the Ubuntu affliate-link issue: I appreciate the work that distro maintainers put in, and I understand that many would like to earn revenue somehow from the distribution. If you give us the option to opt-in, then I'm fine with that being part of your revenue model. The fact that people have the option to disable a feature doesn't make it any less sneaky or inappropriate to put in (in my opinion).
  - pallandt 13y ago
    The issue you mentioned is indeed quite sneaky, but getting a page full of ads when mistyping a domain name for example is very 'in your face' I'd say. I don't really understand how it could be interpreted as 'sneaky'. I think what truly might be bothering people is the fact that someone out there is just trying to profit off of them, some through less/more sleazy ways than others.
13y ago

gnuvince 13y ago

I've gone back to Debian after I grew sick and tired of Ubuntu. Wheezy is one, very smooth distribution, super stable, highly recommend it!

japhyr 13y ago
I learned Linux through Ubuntu, and I'm thinking of trying Debian. I want my daily desktop work to be on a distro that has a good parallel server distro. I don't administer servers every day, so it really helps if I can use a server that is closely tied with my laptop's distro.
- relaxitup 13y ago
  Ubuntu hath not a good parallel server distro? It's quite suitable imo.
  - japhyr 13y ago
    Late reply, but just saw your response. I use ubuntu servers whenever I need to set up a server. I meant that if I move to a different distro on my desktop, I want to use a distro that also has a server version.
MatthewPhillips 13y ago
Same here, except I left Arch after getting tired of it breaking on upgrades all the time.
hdra 13y ago
How easy it is to install non-free packages in Debian? I myself have been considering to switch to Debian, the only thing holding me back is Debian's policy on not including packages that don't meet their requirement as "Free Software" in their official repository.
- supergauntlet 13y ago
  You edit one file, uncomment the non-free repos, and do apt-get update. That's it.

brownbat 13y ago

I liked this parting jab: > subject to the mysteries of UEFI boots and the lunacy of diffuse BIOS variations that make installation of non-Windows operating systems on modern notebooks a travesty

TheLegace 13y ago
Hell yes, I've posted about this before. Due to issues with bootloader, I've lost my other Linux installations. And the inability for the installer to format the right hard drive even when you tell it which one to format is really a shame for the audience Mint is suppose to be for. I mean don't get me wrong Mint is great, but the installer sucks horribly.
D9u 13y ago
I haven't had to deal with UEFI yet, but there appears to be ways around secure boot, as the Fedora Project has been working on it for some time now. www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-on-windows-8-uefi-and-fedora/11187
mmphosis 13y ago
Is there a list of PC makers that make installation of non-Windows operating systems on modern notebooks easy?

dubcanada 13y ago

I use it cause cinnamon is amazeballs.. Even though you can get it on Ubuntu. I used to use #! just for blackbox or what ever their GUI was. But I must say, upgrading Linux Mint is a lot harder then upgrading Ubuntu.

eksith 13y ago
This is the one complaint I have about Mint. Since most of my things are on external drives, I've resorted to the wipe/install method of "upgrading" just so I can avoid the hassle. It's not a deal breaker by any stretch, but I do hope they can change this to be more streamlined in the future.

datalus 13y ago

I left Ubuntu/Debian/Mint for Arch and haven't looked back. True it's a ton of config more to deal with than Mint, but the documentation via the wiki and the community are solid. I've learned a lot thanks to diving head first into Arch.

ddoolin 13y ago
Definitely. There's no comparison. Especially for devs. Having the updated packages daily is great, too. The community is the best I've seen.
the1 13y ago
yah I like breaking updates. that thrill whenever I do pacman -Syu

adrianlmm 13y ago

I left Ubuntu for Fedora, because It offers a better GNOME Shell experience, I still try Ubuntu GNOME every new release, but till now Fedora feels faster and more stable.

subsection1h 13y ago

Linux Mint still doesn't support expert install,[1] which is a basic requirement of mine. (I think it should be renamed to intermediate install.) One reason why I prefer expert install is because the last time I tried the standard install, it didn't seem to allow /home to be encrypted with dm-crypt, only eCryptfs. I encrypt /home with dm-crypt because when I last searched for comparisons of eCryptfs and dm-crypt performance (2012), I read that dm-crypt is faster.[2][3][4][5][6][7] [1] http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=133968 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=133968 [2] http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/ssd-linux-benchmark http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/ssd-linux-benchmark [3] http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1110088-AR-1110066AR56 http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1110088-AR-1110066AR56 [4] http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/the-best-file-encryption-software-in-open-source http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/the-best-file-encryption-... [5] http://askubuntu.com/questions/100752/how-does-ecryptfs-impact-harddisk-performance http://askubuntu.com/questions/100752/how-does-ecryptfs-impa... [6] http://askubuntu.com/questions/138820/why-is-ecryptfs-so-slow-when-running-du-s http://askubuntu.com/questions/138820/why-is-ecryptfs-so-slo... [7] http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53191 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/53191

yulaow 13y ago

There is one thing i hate of Mint and is the fact that it doesn't support dist-upgrade. Looking in the user guide of mint they suggest to "reinstall from scratch the os when there is a new version of Mint". Seriously, wtf. The direct os upgrade is one of my favorite features of linux and they just windowsized it.

gmrple 13y ago
Honestly, they were completely based off Ubuntu at one point, and I have found upgrading OS versions on the fly to be flaky to say the least. From what I've read, I am not the only one with issues, so it is hardly surprising that a distro going for being extremely user friendly would choose to make this particular option unsupported. I know now they have a Debian version, but I have no experience with dist-upgrade on Debian.
SkyMarshal 13y ago
If you put /home on its own partition [1], reinstalling linux from scratch becomes really easy, better than dist-upgrade imho. Backup your packages [2], overwrite / with the CD/DVD/USB installer, tell the installer to use the existing /home as the new installation's /home, then reinstall your backed up packages [2]. Any software you don't get from the repositories, keep on /home (git repos, JVM, etc). This essentially makes the system files disposable, rewriteable, overwriteable, reinstallable at will, while all the custom config and personal data resides on /home. Keep /home backed up to multiple media. Makes upgrading to a new version relatively painless, and you get the benefit of a fresh install. 1. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan/index.html http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-partplan/i... 2. http://askubuntu.com/a/81112/20362 http://askubuntu.com/a/81112/20362
- yulaow 13y ago
  I know perfectly that and infact i ever put /home in a different partition, as /boot and /var, but the big part of the config files are not in the /home but in /etc and i will lose all of them each time i have to reinstall from scratch. Dist-upgrade is one of the main advantage of a lot of distribution not rolling, and it has ever worked perfectly for me ( i remember having a ubuntu wm with 9.10 upgraded without problem since 12.04. After that i didn't need it more). Also thanks to that i have not to teach to my parents how to format and reinstall an os, they just need to press a button when the os itself warns them that there is a new version ready to download. It just that mint developers are more focused on make money spamming their ads everywhere rather that implement that basic feature.

smegel 13y ago

I switched to LMDE after I discovered Debian 6 used Gnome3 by default...I actually really like MATE, the "start menu" is really good, and it is easily customizable to make it look like Gnome2 otherwise.

drill_sarge 13y ago
stopped using LMDE a while ago and went back to Debian because there seemed no real developement going on in LMDE anymore and stuff breaking more often. how is it now? my best friend is always a debian testing netinstall and I can do what I want.

stephenr 13y ago

Obligatory: http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/108/8/0/i_can__t_configure_debian_by_carnine9-d4wkixt.png http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/108/8/0/i_can__t_conf...