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http://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1jmrta/founder_of_the_freedom_hosting_arrested_held/cbge599 http://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1jmrta/founder_of_th

by seivan 13y ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1jmrta/founder_of_the_freedom_hosting_arrested_held/cbge599 http://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1jmrta/founder_of_th... TL;DR Your analogy is broken. Go fix. Edit; Apparently the person in question was aware.

sillysaurus 13y ago
Please don't blindly copy paste from reddit without at least making it applicable to what the parent comment actually said. They didn't say anything about camera makers.
GuiA 13y ago
TL;DR: fuck taxi drivers and public transportation?
jlgreco 13y ago
Your analogy is shit. The circumstances under which a "getaway driver" can be charged are not nearly as generous as you make them to be. If you genuinely had nothing to do with the crime other than unwittingly being the getaway driver (say, if your job was transporting around many people at once... a bus driver), then you would not be held accountable. Should bus drivers have to ensure they don't drive anyone committing crimes? Of course not, that is patently ridiculous. Do yourself a favor and exercise a few brain cells before you blindly suck up bullshit reddit is spewing.
- eurleif 13y ago
  The allegation seems to be that he had actual knowledge of child porn being hosted on his service, and did nothing about it.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    Actual knowledge meaning what, precisely? Had he seen it himself? Had a court told him it existed? Had someone he trusted told him it existed? Had someone he didn't trust told him it existed? Had an anonymous comment called him a pedo host without even specifying a domain?
    - jamespo 13y ago
      You'll have to write to the DoJ and ask them
    - jlgreco 13y ago
      Exactly, we don't know enough to make strong statements about this, though it is nevertheless clear that the analogy of the poster "calling out" the quality of another analogy is itself utter shit.
      - gcb0 13y ago
        What can you do about content exiting your tor node? Ifit's external requests you can block certain targets etc... But what else besides shutting down?
        eurleif 13y ago
        This was a hosting service for onion sites, not a tor exit node.
        jlgreco 13y ago
        You either choose to operate an exit node or a relay (not sure what the terminology is). If you are not dealing with exit stuff, you can do fuck all. Operating an internal service is functionally the same as an exit node (except you allow access to a server running locally, not on the internet at large.)
- seivan 13y ago
  From what I understand, the person in question was aware.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    Then the analogy is still shit. If your friend shared his bank-robbing plans and you don't do anything to stop him then you're guilty of conspiracy, and being a getaway driver is orthogonal.
- seivan 13y ago
  You're right, It was stupid of me to call it broken. But I don't agree with it.
Dylan16807 13y ago
Your analogy is far worse, and your post is too condescending. This is a hosting service, it's like a taxi. A taxi driver would not get in trouble here. The reason a normal driver would get in trouble is because it's assumed that the people you give rides to are people you know. And if I provide a hosting service why would I have to listen to some guy off the street claiming that a site breaks TOS? If thoroughly checking such things was standard I'd probably be inundated with useless troll reports.
- deleted 13y ago
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- chmike 13y ago
  But that's why the alledged driver of Ben Laden is apparently in Guantanmo. In the US a Taxi driver can apparently be sentenced for many tens of years in prison. This is why my impression is that USA is going wako! Now that the US is exporting its none sense by requesting extraditions I start to be worried. On the otherhand, although it is not clear in the article and probably for good reason, I do have the impression the guy was active in the pedophile business with it's romanian connections. If this is the case some action is required. But I don't understand the extradition and why ireland could not take care of the problem by itself. Something is really fishy about this story anyway you take it.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    It's about intent and knowledge. Bin Laden's personal driver knows he is helping a fugitive. A taxi driver in the exact same situation, unless he instantly recognizes the guy, isn't going to get convicted of anything.

by seivan 13y ago

sillysaurus 13y ago

Please don't blindly copy paste from reddit without at least making it applicable to what the parent comment actually said. They didn't say anything about camera makers.

GuiA 13y ago

TL;DR: fuck taxi drivers and public transportation?

jlgreco 13y ago

Your analogy is shit. The circumstances under which a "getaway driver" can be charged are not nearly as generous as you make them to be. If you genuinely had nothing to do with the crime other than unwittingly being the getaway driver (say, if your job was transporting around many people at once... a bus driver), then you would not be held accountable. Should bus drivers have to ensure they don't drive anyone committing crimes? Of course not, that is patently ridiculous. Do yourself a favor and exercise a few brain cells before you blindly suck up bullshit reddit is spewing.

eurleif 13y ago
The allegation seems to be that he had actual knowledge of child porn being hosted on his service, and did nothing about it.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  Actual knowledge meaning what, precisely? Had he seen it himself? Had a court told him it existed? Had someone he trusted told him it existed? Had someone he didn't trust told him it existed? Had an anonymous comment called him a pedo host without even specifying a domain?
  - jamespo 13y ago
    You'll have to write to the DoJ and ask them
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Exactly, we don't know enough to make strong statements about this, though it is nevertheless clear that the analogy of the poster "calling out" the quality of another analogy is itself utter shit.
    - gcb0 13y ago
      What can you do about content exiting your tor node? Ifit's external requests you can block certain targets etc... But what else besides shutting down?
      - eurleif 13y ago
        This was a hosting service for onion sites, not a tor exit node.
      - jlgreco 13y ago
        You either choose to operate an exit node or a relay (not sure what the terminology is). If you are not dealing with exit stuff, you can do fuck all. Operating an internal service is functionally the same as an exit node (except you allow access to a server running locally, not on the internet at large.)
seivan 13y ago
From what I understand, the person in question was aware.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  Then the analogy is still shit. If your friend shared his bank-robbing plans and you don't do anything to stop him then you're guilty of conspiracy, and being a getaway driver is orthogonal.
seivan 13y ago
You're right, It was stupid of me to call it broken. But I don't agree with it.

Dylan16807 13y ago

Your analogy is far worse, and your post is too condescending. This is a hosting service, it's like a taxi. A taxi driver would not get in trouble here. The reason a normal driver would get in trouble is because it's assumed that the people you give rides to are people you know. And if I provide a hosting service why would I have to listen to some guy off the street claiming that a site breaks TOS? If thoroughly checking such things was standard I'd probably be inundated with useless troll reports.

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chmike 13y ago
But that's why the alledged driver of Ben Laden is apparently in Guantanmo. In the US a Taxi driver can apparently be sentenced for many tens of years in prison. This is why my impression is that USA is going wako! Now that the US is exporting its none sense by requesting extraditions I start to be worried. On the otherhand, although it is not clear in the article and probably for good reason, I do have the impression the guy was active in the pedophile business with it's romanian connections. If this is the case some action is required. But I don't understand the extradition and why ireland could not take care of the problem by itself. Something is really fishy about this story anyway you take it.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  It's about intent and knowledge. Bin Laden's personal driver knows he is helping a fugitive. A taxi driver in the exact same situation, unless he instantly recognizes the guy, isn't going to get convicted of anything.