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Thanks for the reply. I think the thing to appreciate is not whether or not relativity emerges from QM, as they're not examining the same aspects of the scienc

Thanks for the reply. I think the thing to appreciate is not whether or not relativity emerges from QM, as they're not examining the same aspects of the science - though of course it is hoped by many that some underlying theory might one day help us appreciate where the nuance is in each theory that allows them to reflect the same reality. This is very different than the relationship neurology claims to psychology. At risk of spinning off a complete tangent, as you appear interested in the topic from a lay perspective (I'm a physicist myself by training) there are also some very interesting, and thorny, challenges when understanding brain science in general, and many of them (surprisingly to many scientists who often shun it) are really questions of philosophy, understanding the questions themselves and what can/cannot follow logically from our observations and reasoning on the topic. For a great blog on, and introduction to this angle of it I'd recommend http://www.consciousentities.com/ http://www.consciousentities.com/ I agree that the brain/mind sciences should not be dismissed, as they're very important, and increasingly we see that cross-disciplinary approaches are essential to more and more areas of science. I guess I was nit-picking with the appropriateness of the analogy as the specific one you chose isn't a good fit for the point you were making.

oblique63 13y ago
Indeed. I just finished my undergrad degree in CS, so going 'in depth' into either field is still on the horizon for myself personally, but I am admittedly a bit more acquainted with the neurological/psychological side of things. Thanks for the link, certainly seems to touch on a lot of familiar subjects so I'll be sure to go through it. Continuing on the 'philosophical challenge' tangent, this talk recently came to my attention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY I haven't delved into the matter much beyond what's presented there, but it seems plausible enough (given the evidence) to be another thorny aspect relating to 'consciousness'. Just thought I'd share.
- richardjordan 13y ago
  No, Sheldrake is a pseudo-science crank and charlatan. Like most pseudo-scientists he says lots of hand-wavy things, and rails against some imagined scientific "they" who won't listen to his theories. If your'e serious about learning in the space you need to steer clear of folks like him or the Deepak Chopra's of this world. Nothing but mystical platitudes lie down that path.
  - oblique63 13y ago
    While I'm never convinced by such theories without conducting my own share of research, it's depressing how difficult it is to find any real credible refutations of the data presented without diving into the experiment papers and reproduction attempts themselves. I don't care what his followers think, I don't care what his detractors think, I don't even care what he thinks, I just care to find out the proper context for the data presented or at least cited examples of credible reproduction attempts that failed. Yet science blogs and comments are filled with so much noise and logical fallacies, that I can't blame tinfoil-hat people for trying to go against the 'status quo' they represent. The best way to discredit these people would be to list off simple objective contradictions and leave it at that, not to try and turn them into some kind of gossipy train-wreck like Lidsay Lohan -- that just makes everyone involved look bad.

oblique63 13y ago

Indeed. I just finished my undergrad degree in CS, so going 'in depth' into either field is still on the horizon for myself personally, but I am admittedly a bit more acquainted with the neurological/psychological side of things. Thanks for the link, certainly seems to touch on a lot of familiar subjects so I'll be sure to go through it. Continuing on the 'philosophical challenge' tangent, this talk recently came to my attention: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY I haven't delved into the matter much beyond what's presented there, but it seems plausible enough (given the evidence) to be another thorny aspect relating to 'consciousness'. Just thought I'd share.

richardjordan 13y ago
No, Sheldrake is a pseudo-science crank and charlatan. Like most pseudo-scientists he says lots of hand-wavy things, and rails against some imagined scientific "they" who won't listen to his theories. If your'e serious about learning in the space you need to steer clear of folks like him or the Deepak Chopra's of this world. Nothing but mystical platitudes lie down that path.
- oblique63 13y ago
  While I'm never convinced by such theories without conducting my own share of research, it's depressing how difficult it is to find any real credible refutations of the data presented without diving into the experiment papers and reproduction attempts themselves. I don't care what his followers think, I don't care what his detractors think, I don't even care what he thinks, I just care to find out the proper context for the data presented or at least cited examples of credible reproduction attempts that failed. Yet science blogs and comments are filled with so much noise and logical fallacies, that I can't blame tinfoil-hat people for trying to go against the 'status quo' they represent. The best way to discredit these people would be to list off simple objective contradictions and leave it at that, not to try and turn them into some kind of gossipy train-wreck like Lidsay Lohan -- that just makes everyone involved look bad.