So I can see where Bret is coming from, many of this thoughts resonate with my ideas, but I'm not so sure there's an intentional conspiracy so much as just a si

So I can see where Bret is coming from, many of this thoughts resonate with my ideas, but I'm not so sure there's an intentional conspiracy so much as just a simple alternate perspective that hackers have. We naturally think of things slightly different than non-programmers. Part of the reason the tools he mention were despised by "all true hackers" is that they were limiting frameworks. We, almost by definition, tend to dislike limitations (especially when we can wield all of the power of lower level languages). I was just pondering the other day with a co-worker, what it would be like to write a web server in xl (not sure you could, or would, but what would the mental model be like). It was an interesting experiment. It's a similar reason to why we tend to prefer libraries to frameworks. I like code that helps me get things done quicker, but not if it enforces some mental models or comes with implementation limitations. Just yesterday I was working around a problem with a certain framework that wasn't making the right system calls the way I needed it. I knew what I wanted from it but couldn't twist the right nobs to get it to happen.