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if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy
by moubarak 13y ago
if anyone here helped you it would be a real shame for HN. if you did offend another religion and rightly convicted then you should pay the price of your apathy and recklessness. jail should not be the price you have to pay, but instead you she be outcast by the community, at least on HN.
- icebraining 13y agoI find your post offensive. Please outcast yourself.
- moubarak 13y agohow did i insult you? i'd like to know before outcasting myself.
- mnazim 13y agoYou insulted him by showing apathy towards his religiously held beliefs for a just law and proportionate punishment for the crime and his dislike for mob justice as you proposed in your earlier post. ---- icebraining, I couldn't have used better words than those.
- moubarak 13y agohasty generalizations, high school stuff. you should learn how to argue.
- tluyben2 13y agoYou insulted me as well; I actually got slightly annoyed reading your outcasting post. Something which rarely happens to me on HN. You should respect each other's religion as long as this religion doesn't interfere with the basic structure and functioning of society. Now you were talking generally, not Malaysian only, which means that your 'rules' interfere with my freedom of speech (which is normal in my society) and that supersedes your religion, whatever it is. Now as I am a social beast, I personally know many (devout) religious people, muslims, buddhists, catholics, christians and besides my high school religion teacher and in some fanatical news on the tv I haven't heard many people talk like you. Most people I know who are religious, believe in good for all and turning the other cheek. I am an atheist, but sometimes I wish I could believe something like that. If I would tell my good friend Muhammed (who is a hardworking plumber in my village) about this Malaysian guy, he would pray Allah for his release and fulfilling life. He would not feel any 'offensive' thing here. That's how it's supposed to be imho.
- moubarak 13y agoyou know nothing about those religions, because non of them promote jail. they all outcast the criminals. please dont have strong opinions about something you know nothing about.
- tluyben2 13y agoDon't put words in my mouth please; I can't seem to find where I mentioned 'jail'? I am saying that none of the religious people I know would call this person 'criminal', would ask for him to be 'outcast' or any other 'punishment' for this freedom of speech 'incident'.
- moubarak 13y agoyou are putting words into your religious friend's mouths. this is ridiculous. who am i arguing with.
- fnordfnordfnord 13y agoI personally find deeply offensive any religion whose followers' responses to insults are violence, or threats of violence.
- alinajaf 13y agoWell that attitude offends my religion. By your own logic you should be arrested, thrown in jail and outcast from society.
- moubarak 13y agoyes if you can prove i offended your religion then i should be outcast. when did i exclude myself?
- alinajaf 13y agoI am a secular humanist. As part of my faith, I believe that human beings have an inalienable right to freedom of speech without fear of persecution. I find your advocation of outcasting from society those who say things that you find offensive as offensive as you would find a Quran being flushed down a toilet. There's the door.
- moubarak 13y agothe Quran is nothing but paper. flushing it down the toilet however is not like flushing a piece of paper. flushing a holy book down the toilet is a message of enmity. why do you speak so illogically.
- alinajaf 13y agoSo you've offended my religion. Should you be outcast or not? Try to stay focused here, it's not hard.
- moubarak 13y agoyou have only showed that your values are different. you ave not shown that i flushed your values in the toilet, nor published insensitive photos of your values (like the OP did). do you need help defining the work insult?
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- jacquesm 13y agoRight, because offending a religion is reason enough to become an outcast. What is this, the digital dark ages? Religion should be a force to unite people in something positive, not a way for a bunch of sub-groups to tell others how to live their lives. Offense is in the eye of the beholder, what offends me is that there are people that would jail others based on insulting religions. And I say that as an atheist, my choice on that front already offends some religious people, go figure. If you subscribe to a religion then you should live by its rules, those rules should not be part of the rules that run a country but they should allow the religious community to determine who is part of the 'in-group' and who is not. And they should leave everybody else alone.
- moubarak 13y agoyou had no reason to offend another religion. you take religion lightly. you should be educated on other cultures. it is not smart to see people dying for their religion all around the world, and then go around offending them claiming that it is your digital right. that is extremely apathetic. im against you being jailed, but i am with you being outcast from society until you appreciate other people's cultures. You don't seem to deny offending another religion, so i assume you have been rightly convicted.
- icebraining 13y agoWhat if his culture is anti-religious? Aren't you being offensive by saying he should appreciate religious cultures?
- mnazim 13y agoThis is exactly the kind of emotional ranting, that has created a negative opinion against Muslims. Assuming he/she is 100% wrong in what he/she did, why should the punishment be more than the crime? Why outcast? Isn't doing the sentence enough? And if it's not enough, then the damn law needs fixing.
- moubarak 13y agoi said not jail, but outcast, until he learns to respect other cultures. then he is welcome again. that is 100 times better than jail.
- rainforest 13y agoHN has an incredibly liberal slant, see the front page since Edward Snowden started leaking documents. I don't think the the "average" opinion would be that someone isn't welcome here because they pissed someone off. Look at all the snark that gets thrown around.
- moubarak 13y agooffending a religion for no reason is not equal to pissing someone off. i doubt you will be responsible for any judgement with that level of intellect.
- peterjancelis 13y agoOffending a religion is just pissing a bunch of people off. So instead of one person that needs to grow up its a whole bunch of them. Difference in degree, not in kind.
- moubarak 13y agoyour value of a bunch of people is amazing.
- peterjancelis 13y agoYou really should learn how free and open societies work. Here's Hans Teeuwen, dutch comedian, explaining it to a few of your fellow muslims: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNBnZsbAWGo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNBnZsbAWGo (English subtitles are available, click on 'captions' option.)
- moubarak 13y agofree and open, thats comedy by itself. you are the comedian sir.
- alan_cx 13y agoOffence is taken, not given. Religious people choose to take offence. They literally don't have to take offence if they don't want to. In doing so, they validate who ever they chose to be offended by, which ironically weakens their religion and themselves personally.
- polymatter 13y agoThis is HN. It is a community based around tech startups and the culture of Silicon Valley. This means it is not a deeply Muslim community, and what might be unacceptable in any deeply religious community is normal here. I hope you don't go because you have been very civil and I think a healthy community has diverse members, but if anyone is an outcast here it is you.
- moubarak 13y agowho said it is a muslim community. im just saying HN should not be refuge for immoral people who insult other people's cultures. speaking of tech startups and silicon valley, a muslim guy invented algorithms. the word algorithm is a transliteration of his name. his first name is Mohamed. without him, HN nor silicon valley would exist today. in that sense, the OP made an insult to the Tech world as a whole.
- rainforest 13y agoIt seems like you're desperately trying to inject religion into an argument where it's wholly irrelevant. Take this at face value: HN is about tech. Religion is not tech, therefore it's not at the forefront of discussion (with the exception of this trainwreck of a tangent). Someone is facing legal action for posting pictures and need help with their startup. The context of their conviction isn't relevant for the discussion. Similarly; Al-Khwarithmi's religion is not relevant to us whatsoever. They're really interesting tech stories with human-interest stores intermingled - it's not difficult at all to focus just on the tech aspect. I'm confused by your last point too - we aren't here to sit and discuss some kind of homogenous technocratic dogma. It's a poor example in any case - tech seems to prompt the some of most fervent rounds mud-slinging of all topics up for discussion on the internet.
- moubarak 13y agodid you read the description? not so secular isn't it? so if the description is not secular, how am i desperately injecting religion? what kind of filtering did you use when you read the description? im very curious.