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I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-jailed-malaysia-sex-bloggers_n_3616657.html http://www.huffingtonpost.c

I'm assuming you are this guy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-jailed-malaysia-sex-bloggers_n_3616657.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/alvin-and-vivian-ja... What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. If you are that person, it may difficult to find someone you can trust enough to take over the SaaS startup whilst you are away. Good luck.

easytiger 13y ago
Thanks for the link but that is in no way offensive
- regularguy 13y ago
  I think if you make (negative) comments on religion, sexuality and race, you are bound to offend some people. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. But if he made an unsightly comment to the gay community at the gay parade, he will probably be deemed offensive too.
  - alinajaf 13y ago
    Offensive enough to be sent to jail with murderers, thieves and rapists? You'd either have to be a ridiculously apologistic liberal or put the mental in fundamentalist to go that far.
    - Dewie 13y ago
      Apologistic liberal? I know that term has different interpretations, but I've never seen it being associated with inhibiting free speech in order to not cause offense. It would be pretty silly if "liberal" ended up meaning "without liberty".
  - exo762 13y ago
    People are entitled to free speech and opinions. Not feelings.
  - 6d0debc071 13y ago
    Unless it was really violently hateful, he'd probably be deemed a bit immature. But being immature's hardly a hanging offence.
  - pavlov 13y ago
    Huh. What do you think would be the gay parade equivalent of the pork-eating image? Maybe a picture of a naked woman with the caption "I'm a heterosexual male, pussy is great, sucks to be you." Mildly offensive, I guess, if you're extremely sensitive about your sexuality. Do you think someone should go to jail for displaying such an image during a gay parade?
  - darkarmani 13y ago
    How is it a negative comment about religion? Do Muslims assume the rest of the world fasts because they fast? This overreaction seems like more of a negative comment about Islam then anything anyone could possibly say.
shawabawa3 13y ago
I don't know why you would just assume that, but considering this: > Sex bloggers Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee have been charged and imprisoned without bail It clearly isn't him
- regularguy 13y ago
  He was released on bail a few days ago. http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=966088 http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=9... I second the call from other comments to flee the country. Doesn't sound like he wants to live in those rules/conditions. At least the startup can continue.
  - jnardiello 13y ago
    Yup, his identity is correct. Just check one the submissions he has done in the past.
- davidchua 13y ago
  I think it is him: They are out of bail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXw4qTp2GWQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXw4qTp2GWQ
- bladurga 13y ago
  http://zuupy.com/about/ http://zuupy.com/about/
RobAley 13y ago
He won't be that guy, as they're already in jail. And I'm a non-Muslim, and it wasn't offensive to me, so perhaps less with sweeping statements and judgements?
peterjaap 13y ago
Might be, but in the HP article it says "without bail" and TS says he is out on bail?
xwowsersx 13y ago
offensive to non Muslims how?
- DanBC 13y ago
  Some people take the "don't be a dick" thing a bit too seriously, perhaps? Weirdly, other reports suggest that FB closed the account. > The couple’s page was closed down subsequently. According to their twitter, Facebook administrators had done so due to “strong negative feedback”. But in an act of defiance, they tweeted on Saturday night, “You may shut us down now but we will be back and be stronger and better than ever. Enjoy your Ramadan for now.” So, jokes about raping women == fine; mislabelling something as halal when it is haram == closed account. (If that's an accurate quote.)
jb17 13y ago
Seriously? This is a photo of someone eating pork. I can only see how you can be 'offended' by this photo if you think no one should be eating pork.
- axus 13y ago
  I think it was the text that was offensive, basically saying "Why don't you break your fast by having some pork!" sarcastically. People shouldn't go to jail for being assholes, though.
drsintoma 13y ago
> What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. Let me assure you that I don't know one single person in my circle that would consider that offensive.
freehunter 13y ago
Posting a picture of them eating pork is not offense to me as a non-muslim. What is offensive to me as a non-muslim is that their lives are in question because of religion. It's 2013: get over it. My religion doesn't forbid eating pork, would you be offended if I said I had bacon for breakfast this morning?
- kohanz 13y ago
  This is not really a fair comparison. It would be more like posting a picture during the Xmas holidays of doing something sinful/forbidden by Christianity with the baby Jesus. The context of this being during Ramadan is extremely important, as it's the holiest time of the year for Muslims. I'm a former Muslim. I'm not offended by the OP's action, I just think it's a dumb joke that shows a lack of sensibility and respect. The key is, in the West, if you did what I described above, you would probably receive a lot of flack, but you definitely wouldn't go to jail!
  - rdouble 13y ago
    It's more like posting a photo of someone ordering a hamburger instead of a filet o fish during lent. Nobody would care.
    - kohanz 13y ago
      That's another perspective, you could really define it in many ways. I went with Christmas because it's the most holy and high-profile time for that religion. Lent doesn't really come close on the average Christian's radar in terms of involvement and public awareness. Of course, what makes it really difficult to compare is the huge difference in attitudes towards and the role of religion between the cultures.
  - freehunter 13y ago
    South Park actually did that very thing in one episode, where satanic animals were celebrating Christmas by sacrificing babies or something similar. Was in it poor taste? Sure. But no one went to jail for it, no one was at all punished for it, no one really cared. So when the person I responded to decided to admonish these people for doing something "offensive to muslims and non muslims"... well for one that's objectively false, and for two that's ridiculously backwards from the culture of tolerance that I was raised in. His comment was more offensive to me than the action these folks took by several orders of magnitude. It's impossible for me to fathom any serious repercussions stemming from offending the sensibilities of religious people. Because where I come from, that's basically a national pastime.
jacquesm 13y ago
That's only offensive to some Muslims and it is definitely not offensive to non-Muslims. It is also a ridiculous reason for being jailed, offensive or not.
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mnazim 13y ago
Only Muslims from eastern countries(India, Pak, Malaysia(duh), etc. consider it offensive. From purely legal POV, there is no precedence from authentic Islamic history on people being punished for eating in front of fasting Muslims. On the contrary, there are a number of precedences where fasting Muslims were offered food, and they would refuse saying "I am fasting" and the other people(Muslims and non Muslims) would simply continue eating. From religious POV, a fasting Muslim actually gets reward when others are eating in front of them.
fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
Would you mind explaining why a non-Muslim should/would be offended by that?
chinmoy 13y ago
No, it wasn't offensive to me and I'm a muslim. Just because something 'offended' you should not be the reason for somebody else to go to jail. He posted stuff on the internet, the people who got offended had the option not to see it.
kohanz 13y ago
Offensive? No. Ill-conceived and not at all funny? Yes. Grounds for calling someone an idiot/jerk? Sure. Grounds for jail-time? Absolutely not.

easytiger 13y ago

Thanks for the link but that is in no way offensive

regularguy 13y ago
I think if you make (negative) comments on religion, sexuality and race, you are bound to offend some people. Maybe it's a matter of opinion. But if he made an unsightly comment to the gay community at the gay parade, he will probably be deemed offensive too.
- alinajaf 13y ago
  Offensive enough to be sent to jail with murderers, thieves and rapists? You'd either have to be a ridiculously apologistic liberal or put the mental in fundamentalist to go that far.
  - Dewie 13y ago
    Apologistic liberal? I know that term has different interpretations, but I've never seen it being associated with inhibiting free speech in order to not cause offense. It would be pretty silly if "liberal" ended up meaning "without liberty".
- exo762 13y ago
  People are entitled to free speech and opinions. Not feelings.
- 6d0debc071 13y ago
  Unless it was really violently hateful, he'd probably be deemed a bit immature. But being immature's hardly a hanging offence.
- pavlov 13y ago
  Huh. What do you think would be the gay parade equivalent of the pork-eating image? Maybe a picture of a naked woman with the caption "I'm a heterosexual male, pussy is great, sucks to be you." Mildly offensive, I guess, if you're extremely sensitive about your sexuality. Do you think someone should go to jail for displaying such an image during a gay parade?
- darkarmani 13y ago
  How is it a negative comment about religion? Do Muslims assume the rest of the world fasts because they fast? This overreaction seems like more of a negative comment about Islam then anything anyone could possibly say.

shawabawa3 13y ago

I don't know why you would just assume that, but considering this: > Sex bloggers Alvin Tan and Vivian Lee have been charged and imprisoned without bail It clearly isn't him

regularguy 13y ago
He was released on bail a few days ago. http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=966088 http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/newsgeneral.php?id=9... I second the call from other comments to flee the country. Doesn't sound like he wants to live in those rules/conditions. At least the startup can continue.
- jnardiello 13y ago
  Yup, his identity is correct. Just check one the submissions he has done in the past.
davidchua 13y ago
I think it is him: They are out of bail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXw4qTp2GWQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXw4qTp2GWQ
bladurga 13y ago
http://zuupy.com/about/ http://zuupy.com/about/

RobAley 13y ago

He won't be that guy, as they're already in jail. And I'm a non-Muslim, and it wasn't offensive to me, so perhaps less with sweeping statements and judgements?

peterjaap 13y ago

Might be, but in the HP article it says "without bail" and TS says he is out on bail?

xwowsersx 13y ago

offensive to non Muslims how?

DanBC 13y ago
Some people take the "don't be a dick" thing a bit too seriously, perhaps? Weirdly, other reports suggest that FB closed the account. > The couple’s page was closed down subsequently. According to their twitter, Facebook administrators had done so due to “strong negative feedback”. But in an act of defiance, they tweeted on Saturday night, “You may shut us down now but we will be back and be stronger and better than ever. Enjoy your Ramadan for now.” So, jokes about raping women == fine; mislabelling something as halal when it is haram == closed account. (If that's an accurate quote.)

jb17 13y ago

Seriously? This is a photo of someone eating pork. I can only see how you can be 'offended' by this photo if you think no one should be eating pork.

axus 13y ago
I think it was the text that was offensive, basically saying "Why don't you break your fast by having some pork!" sarcastically. People shouldn't go to jail for being assholes, though.

drsintoma 13y ago

> What you did was quite offensive, for Muslims and non-Muslims. Let me assure you that I don't know one single person in my circle that would consider that offensive.

freehunter 13y ago

Posting a picture of them eating pork is not offense to me as a non-muslim. What is offensive to me as a non-muslim is that their lives are in question because of religion. It's 2013: get over it. My religion doesn't forbid eating pork, would you be offended if I said I had bacon for breakfast this morning?

kohanz 13y ago
This is not really a fair comparison. It would be more like posting a picture during the Xmas holidays of doing something sinful/forbidden by Christianity with the baby Jesus. The context of this being during Ramadan is extremely important, as it's the holiest time of the year for Muslims. I'm a former Muslim. I'm not offended by the OP's action, I just think it's a dumb joke that shows a lack of sensibility and respect. The key is, in the West, if you did what I described above, you would probably receive a lot of flack, but you definitely wouldn't go to jail!
- rdouble 13y ago
  It's more like posting a photo of someone ordering a hamburger instead of a filet o fish during lent. Nobody would care.
  - kohanz 13y ago
    That's another perspective, you could really define it in many ways. I went with Christmas because it's the most holy and high-profile time for that religion. Lent doesn't really come close on the average Christian's radar in terms of involvement and public awareness. Of course, what makes it really difficult to compare is the huge difference in attitudes towards and the role of religion between the cultures.
- freehunter 13y ago
  South Park actually did that very thing in one episode, where satanic animals were celebrating Christmas by sacrificing babies or something similar. Was in it poor taste? Sure. But no one went to jail for it, no one was at all punished for it, no one really cared. So when the person I responded to decided to admonish these people for doing something "offensive to muslims and non muslims"... well for one that's objectively false, and for two that's ridiculously backwards from the culture of tolerance that I was raised in. His comment was more offensive to me than the action these folks took by several orders of magnitude. It's impossible for me to fathom any serious repercussions stemming from offending the sensibilities of religious people. Because where I come from, that's basically a national pastime.

jacquesm 13y ago

That's only offensive to some Muslims and it is definitely not offensive to non-Muslims. It is also a ridiculous reason for being jailed, offensive or not.

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mnazim 13y ago

Only Muslims from eastern countries(India, Pak, Malaysia(duh), etc. consider it offensive. From purely legal POV, there is no precedence from authentic Islamic history on people being punished for eating in front of fasting Muslims. On the contrary, there are a number of precedences where fasting Muslims were offered food, and they would refuse saying "I am fasting" and the other people(Muslims and non Muslims) would simply continue eating. From religious POV, a fasting Muslim actually gets reward when others are eating in front of them.

fnordfnordfnord 13y ago

Would you mind explaining why a non-Muslim should/would be offended by that?

chinmoy 13y ago

No, it wasn't offensive to me and I'm a muslim. Just because something 'offended' you should not be the reason for somebody else to go to jail. He posted stuff on the internet, the people who got offended had the option not to see it.

kohanz 13y ago

Offensive? No. Ill-conceived and not at all funny? Yes. Grounds for calling someone an idiot/jerk? Sure. Grounds for jail-time? Absolutely not.