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>They should have blasted back with the truth -- yeah, Macs are cool but when you want to get real work done you use Windows. You have a funny definition of tr

>They should have blasted back with the truth -- yeah, Macs are cool but when you want to get real work done you use Windows. You have a funny definition of truth.

dmfdmf 13y ago
The reality is most businesses and 85-90% (? I don't know the latest stats off the top of my head) of computers are still running Windows.
- seanmcdirmid 13y ago
  computers or PCs? Those would be very different numbers if we were talking about all consumer devices that compute.
  - dmfdmf 13y ago
    That is a fair point and what MS is really afraid of but consumer device are not going to replace desktop computers, at least in my opinion.
    - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
      Right. But the desktop computer market isn't really growing, and it is actually beginning to shrink. Post PC doesn't mean we all stop using PCs, it just means that the PC market has peaked and we can't expect much growth there.
      - dmfdmf 13y ago
        Some of that is due to the recession/depression (depending on your worldview). The rumors of the death of the desktop have been greatly exaggerated. WinXP is (finally) reaching EOL and they can't run forever even if you don't care about security. Win8 is the new Vista and people are happy with Windows 7 for now.
        seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        The economy is doing fine now and the PC market has only began to start shrinking. No one in the tech industry, even Intel and Microsoft, are seeing growth potential in the PC industry, but perhaps you have some special insight that we are all lacking.
        dmfdmf 13y ago
        The economy is not fine. You can't fix a credit fueled housing market bubble and subsequent crash with $4T in more debt. The Fed papered over the worst of the crash to minimize the political consequences. I don't agree with all of his analysis but http://danielamerman.com http://danielamerman.com this site has some good explanations of what is going on. See his discussion on Hiding a Depression. The PC market can't grow forever, how close it is to saturation I don't know but there is still a lot of money to be made in mature markets like autos, etc. MS needs to get its act together and defend its market share or it might end up like GM.
        seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        No need to be americacentric, the PC market is stagnant even in China, which didn't go through any of these crashes (yet). I'm not speaking for MS, but I think they want to be seen as a growth company, not a stable, mature company. They want to maintain their market share, but the "opportunities" for new growth probably lay elsewhere, so you'll see investment away from PCs into areas where new money can be made (while still trying to preserve old money, of course). Even the car needs a new remake to create new market share and hence opportunity; e.g. Tesla and electric cars.
ladzoppelin 13y ago
Actually the truth was -- Yea Macs don't have malware because nobody targets OSX...Yet.
- ricardobeat 13y ago
  Or maybe it is because it has a better security model, less buggy software, prevents unsigned installs by default, and runs applications in a sandbox? See also malware on iOS vs Android. By the way, OSX is hitting 15% market share in the US.

>They should have blasted back with the truth -- yeah, Macs are cool but when you want to get real work done you use Windows. You have a funny definition of truth.

dmfdmf 13y ago

The reality is most businesses and 85-90% (? I don't know the latest stats off the top of my head) of computers are still running Windows.

seanmcdirmid 13y ago
computers or PCs? Those would be very different numbers if we were talking about all consumer devices that compute.
- dmfdmf 13y ago
  That is a fair point and what MS is really afraid of but consumer device are not going to replace desktop computers, at least in my opinion.
  - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
    Right. But the desktop computer market isn't really growing, and it is actually beginning to shrink. Post PC doesn't mean we all stop using PCs, it just means that the PC market has peaked and we can't expect much growth there.
    - dmfdmf 13y ago
      Some of that is due to the recession/depression (depending on your worldview). The rumors of the death of the desktop have been greatly exaggerated. WinXP is (finally) reaching EOL and they can't run forever even if you don't care about security. Win8 is the new Vista and people are happy with Windows 7 for now.
      - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        The economy is doing fine now and the PC market has only began to start shrinking. No one in the tech industry, even Intel and Microsoft, are seeing growth potential in the PC industry, but perhaps you have some special insight that we are all lacking.
        dmfdmf 13y ago
        The economy is not fine. You can't fix a credit fueled housing market bubble and subsequent crash with $4T in more debt. The Fed papered over the worst of the crash to minimize the political consequences. I don't agree with all of his analysis but http://danielamerman.com http://danielamerman.com this site has some good explanations of what is going on. See his discussion on Hiding a Depression. The PC market can't grow forever, how close it is to saturation I don't know but there is still a lot of money to be made in mature markets like autos, etc. MS needs to get its act together and defend its market share or it might end up like GM.
        seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        No need to be americacentric, the PC market is stagnant even in China, which didn't go through any of these crashes (yet). I'm not speaking for MS, but I think they want to be seen as a growth company, not a stable, mature company. They want to maintain their market share, but the "opportunities" for new growth probably lay elsewhere, so you'll see investment away from PCs into areas where new money can be made (while still trying to preserve old money, of course). Even the car needs a new remake to create new market share and hence opportunity; e.g. Tesla and electric cars.

ladzoppelin 13y ago

Actually the truth was -- Yea Macs don't have malware because nobody targets OSX...Yet.

ricardobeat 13y ago
Or maybe it is because it has a better security model, less buggy software, prevents unsigned installs by default, and runs applications in a sandbox? See also malware on iOS vs Android. By the way, OSX is hitting 15% market share in the US.