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Ubuntu Edge lowers prices on IndieGogo

114 points by thejosh 13y ago

Hi everyone The last few days have been absolutely incredible -- over $3.5 million in the first 40 hours. We’ve broken records, we’ve attracted the attention of the world, and we’re marching closer and closer to bringing the Ubuntu Edge to life. $32 million is a huge number, and we’ve never danced around this fact. To get there, we’re going to need your help to bring family, friends, fans, and followers to the campaign. This crowdfunding process has already provided us with a lot of great feedback, especially about our perks -- and we’ve been listening to it all. You told us you want more opportunities to get the Ubuntu Edge at a lower contribution level, so we went back to our spreadsheets and came up with a solution. Today we’re changing our perk levels. We’ll offer a limited number of phones at each level, and as each tier runs out the next ones will be made available, so act quickly to get the best deal! You’ll only see the first few levels on the campaign page today, but continuing our habit of openness and transparency we want to share the whole plan with you. Hundreds of you have already contributed $830 for an Ubuntu Edge, but don’t worry. We’ll refund the difference at the end of the campaign so you won’t lose out. We’ll contact you all directly with more information. We need to keep the campaign momentum going. Please help by sharing the news and, of course, keep pledging! The Ubuntu Edge team edit: Link to project: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

bobbles 13y ago
Shouldn't this be a link to the campaign?
- limmeau 13y ago
  HN submissions can't have both text and a link.
hamvocke 13y ago
Link to the indiegogo project: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
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RossM 13y ago
Linked: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge Looks like the new prices are $625, $675, $725 and $830 (USD).
miga 13y ago
Good way to probe for most acceptable pricing level before project design is finalized.
mtgx 13y ago
Can't they get some companies to order a few hundreds or thousands, too? Maybe some European carriers or something (of course they'd have to guarantee money back if they don't deliver). Ending this campaign successfully would help their PR a lot.
- fpgeek 13y ago
  I believe that's the point of that $80k enterprise tier.
yread 13y ago
Let's see if it makes a difference on the funding speed http://movebits.net/2013/07/23/ubuntu-edge-funding-level/ http://movebits.net/2013/07/23/ubuntu-edge-funding-level/
- sspiff 13y ago
  For me, that page hasn't updated in ~12 hours. It would be nice if they labeled their axis though, it's really annoying to figure out the scale at the moment.
- hamax 13y ago
  Since the chart isn't live, here is my hack: http://ownu.net/rate.txt http://ownu.net/rate.txt (Nobody wants to see the code behind this :)
philliphaydon 13y ago
Funded. There was no way I was gonna fork out 860, but did it at 655. Hope someone figures out how to get Windows Phone on the thing!
- luke-stanley 13y ago
  Funny!
- Felix21 13y ago
  Windows Phone? Why?
appleflaxen 13y ago
What I really want is to be able to buy one without having a PayPal account.
- fosap 13y ago
  And without paypal and indiegogo fees.
- hysan 13y ago
  I second this. I made an IndieGoGo account on the first day ready to drop $600 on the phone. But then stopped when I found out that I needed a Paypal account for > $500 contributions. I'm even willing to support some of the newer lower priced tiers but until there is a way to donate without Paypal, my wallet is staying closed.
  - dwild 13y ago
    You can't simply pay with your credit card on Paypal without an account?
    - eloisant 13y ago
      Yes you can.
    - deleted 13y ago
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  - kyboren 13y ago
    I third this. I experienced the same predicament, and reacted in the same way. To my sibling comments: no, for purchases over $500, I believe you need a verified PayPal account, which is even more than the usual hassle.
    - hysan 13y ago
      Yeah, before I closed my Paypal account a few years ago, I remember this being the case as well. So I'm not sure how the other commenters are getting away with: 1. Not having to open an account to make > $500 purchases via Paypal. 2. Not having to get your account verified.
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- falk 13y ago
  They can be found under the heading "Technical specifications" toward the bottom of their Indiegogo project page. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
napoleoncomplex 13y ago
Seems it is picking up speed again. If they could keep the price below 700$ for everyone, I think it might even go through, but then they'd probably go bankrupt. As a side-note, it's insane that raising $32 million with crowdfunding actually does not seem that impossible anymore.
- chmike 13y ago
  For hardware, it's just a matter of value in the user's eye and the risk of failure. Such offer have the most chance to succed and there isn't much risk in the first place. I see a high value in a unix Os with a very low barrier to write native apps. IOs is a completely closed ecosystem on even has to pay to put a feet in. Android has the cost of java vm overhead and programming overhead. Eclipse makes me sick. Qt creator is much more efficient and productive. With the possibility to hook a big screen to the device (hopefully a plug&play operation) we could directly program and fiddle with the phone. Though I think we will still need the power of a big cpu to speed up development process. Hopefully, with the Os, we'll be able to program with our preferred language and use C compiled with Clang when we'll want the most efficient one. This could be a little revolution and what I'm looking forward with this Ubuntu phone Os.
  - MatthewPhillips 13y ago
    It's still a bummer that you're limited to basically C++ or QML (a weird hybrid of css and javascript). Why no mobile OSes offer true language choice is a mystery to me.
    - viraptor 13y ago
      What do you mean by "limited to c++"? If you can run c++ apps, that means you can write a short wrapper to any language / environment you want and use that for the app itself.
chmike 13y ago
Will it be possible to use device as a phone with Ubuntu as Os or will it have to be running Android to use the device as a phone ?
- takluyver 13y ago
  They're putting a lot of effort into making a touchscreen version of Ubuntu for phones and tablets, so I don't think you'll need to use Android.
fosap 13y ago
Could you explain why you use indiegogo? It seems to be a very expensive way to fund such a big project. Have you considered alternatives or setting up your own page?
fpgeek 13y ago
Grumble. They also really need a $40-50 T-Shirt tier. It's amazing how easy it can be to talk yourself into contributing that little bit extra...
- izietto 13y ago
  Can't agree more: tees are the real boost of crowdfounding.
ZeroGravitas 13y ago
This text doesn't make that much sense since it's missing the pricing table image. You can see the full context at the top of this page currently: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity It looks like they intend to ramp up the price over small batches of 1,250 to provide a more graduated incentive for people to get in early than their previous 1st day only promotion. The first batch ($625 tier) is at 700/1250 sold already. (edit: and sold out < 1 hour later)
alexose 13y ago
There's definitely been an uptick in sales. Here's my graph: http://alexose.com/images/2013-07-24_094402.png http://alexose.com/images/2013-07-24_094402.png
- shurane 13y ago
  Useful! Can you project the amount raised at the end of the campaign without today's added perks? It looks like $500,000 USD a day from the graph, so only $14.5 million without some bigger incentives? :\
zimbatm 13y ago
If it's a limited edition, how good will device support be after a couple of years ?
- shurane 13y ago
  If everything from the radio to the bootloader to other device drivers is open source, I don't think keeping it updated will be a problem. Look at old laptops and desktops that still work after slapping a Linux OS onto it.
  - zimbatm 13y ago
    Where will you go to replace the open-sourced broken glass ?
Furzel 13y ago
Has someone made available some statistics about average donation / day on crowd funding platforms ? Like what's the average percentage of a project backed after the first day ? after a week ? I only managed to find this article partially related => http://blog.indiegogo.com/2012/02/indiegogo-insight-aim-to-raise-a-third-of-your-goal-within-the-first-quarter-of-your-campaign-lifeti.html http://blog.indiegogo.com/2012/02/indiegogo-insight-aim-to-r...
wavesounds 13y ago
Is there HDMI out and bluetooth support? I'm waiting for someone to merge the laptop/desktop/cellphone divide into one unit, this seems like this has the potential to be that unit. Also will this just work on all carriers?
rs232 13y ago
I've been trying to contribute for over a day now, and I only get the message "We can't process your payment right now, so please try again later. We're sorry for the inconvenience." In the meantime, the price is rising... Grr.

114 points by thejosh 13y ago

bobbles 13y ago

Shouldn't this be a link to the campaign?

limmeau 13y ago
HN submissions can't have both text and a link.

hamvocke 13y ago

Link to the indiegogo project: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

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RossM 13y ago

Linked: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge Looks like the new prices are $625, $675, $725 and $830 (USD).

miga 13y ago

Good way to probe for most acceptable pricing level before project design is finalized.

mtgx 13y ago

Can't they get some companies to order a few hundreds or thousands, too? Maybe some European carriers or something (of course they'd have to guarantee money back if they don't deliver). Ending this campaign successfully would help their PR a lot.

fpgeek 13y ago
I believe that's the point of that $80k enterprise tier.

yread 13y ago

Let's see if it makes a difference on the funding speed http://movebits.net/2013/07/23/ubuntu-edge-funding-level/ http://movebits.net/2013/07/23/ubuntu-edge-funding-level/

sspiff 13y ago
For me, that page hasn't updated in ~12 hours. It would be nice if they labeled their axis though, it's really annoying to figure out the scale at the moment.
hamax 13y ago
Since the chart isn't live, here is my hack: http://ownu.net/rate.txt http://ownu.net/rate.txt (Nobody wants to see the code behind this :)

philliphaydon 13y ago

Funded. There was no way I was gonna fork out 860, but did it at 655. Hope someone figures out how to get Windows Phone on the thing!

luke-stanley 13y ago
Funny!
Felix21 13y ago
Windows Phone? Why?

appleflaxen 13y ago

What I really want is to be able to buy one without having a PayPal account.

fosap 13y ago
And without paypal and indiegogo fees.
hysan 13y ago
I second this. I made an IndieGoGo account on the first day ready to drop $600 on the phone. But then stopped when I found out that I needed a Paypal account for > $500 contributions. I'm even willing to support some of the newer lower priced tiers but until there is a way to donate without Paypal, my wallet is staying closed.
- dwild 13y ago
  You can't simply pay with your credit card on Paypal without an account?
  - eloisant 13y ago
    Yes you can.
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
- kyboren 13y ago
  I third this. I experienced the same predicament, and reacted in the same way. To my sibling comments: no, for purchases over $500, I believe you need a verified PayPal account, which is even more than the usual hassle.
  - hysan 13y ago
    Yeah, before I closed my Paypal account a few years ago, I remember this being the case as well. So I'm not sure how the other commenters are getting away with: 1. Not having to open an account to make > $500 purchases via Paypal. 2. Not having to get your account verified.

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falk 13y ago
They can be found under the heading "Technical specifications" toward the bottom of their Indiegogo project page. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge

napoleoncomplex 13y ago

Seems it is picking up speed again. If they could keep the price below 700$ for everyone, I think it might even go through, but then they'd probably go bankrupt. As a side-note, it's insane that raising $32 million with crowdfunding actually does not seem that impossible anymore.

chmike 13y ago
For hardware, it's just a matter of value in the user's eye and the risk of failure. Such offer have the most chance to succed and there isn't much risk in the first place. I see a high value in a unix Os with a very low barrier to write native apps. IOs is a completely closed ecosystem on even has to pay to put a feet in. Android has the cost of java vm overhead and programming overhead. Eclipse makes me sick. Qt creator is much more efficient and productive. With the possibility to hook a big screen to the device (hopefully a plug&play operation) we could directly program and fiddle with the phone. Though I think we will still need the power of a big cpu to speed up development process. Hopefully, with the Os, we'll be able to program with our preferred language and use C compiled with Clang when we'll want the most efficient one. This could be a little revolution and what I'm looking forward with this Ubuntu phone Os.
- MatthewPhillips 13y ago
  It's still a bummer that you're limited to basically C++ or QML (a weird hybrid of css and javascript). Why no mobile OSes offer true language choice is a mystery to me.
  - viraptor 13y ago
    What do you mean by "limited to c++"? If you can run c++ apps, that means you can write a short wrapper to any language / environment you want and use that for the app itself.

chmike 13y ago

Will it be possible to use device as a phone with Ubuntu as Os or will it have to be running Android to use the device as a phone ?

takluyver 13y ago
They're putting a lot of effort into making a touchscreen version of Ubuntu for phones and tablets, so I don't think you'll need to use Android.

fosap 13y ago

Could you explain why you use indiegogo? It seems to be a very expensive way to fund such a big project. Have you considered alternatives or setting up your own page?

fpgeek 13y ago

Grumble. They also really need a $40-50 T-Shirt tier. It's amazing how easy it can be to talk yourself into contributing that little bit extra...

izietto 13y ago
Can't agree more: tees are the real boost of crowdfounding.

ZeroGravitas 13y ago

This text doesn't make that much sense since it's missing the pricing table image. You can see the full context at the top of this page currently: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity It looks like they intend to ramp up the price over small batches of 1,250 to provide a more graduated incentive for people to get in early than their previous 1st day only promotion. The first batch ($625 tier) is at 700/1250 sold already. (edit: and sold out < 1 hour later)

alexose 13y ago

There's definitely been an uptick in sales. Here's my graph: http://alexose.com/images/2013-07-24_094402.png http://alexose.com/images/2013-07-24_094402.png

shurane 13y ago
Useful! Can you project the amount raised at the end of the campaign without today's added perks? It looks like $500,000 USD a day from the graph, so only $14.5 million without some bigger incentives? :\

zimbatm 13y ago

If it's a limited edition, how good will device support be after a couple of years ?

shurane 13y ago
If everything from the radio to the bootloader to other device drivers is open source, I don't think keeping it updated will be a problem. Look at old laptops and desktops that still work after slapping a Linux OS onto it.
- zimbatm 13y ago
  Where will you go to replace the open-sourced broken glass ?

Furzel 13y ago

Has someone made available some statistics about average donation / day on crowd funding platforms ? Like what's the average percentage of a project backed after the first day ? after a week ? I only managed to find this article partially related => http://blog.indiegogo.com/2012/02/indiegogo-insight-aim-to-raise-a-third-of-your-goal-within-the-first-quarter-of-your-campaign-lifeti.html http://blog.indiegogo.com/2012/02/indiegogo-insight-aim-to-r...

wavesounds 13y ago

Is there HDMI out and bluetooth support? I'm waiting for someone to merge the laptop/desktop/cellphone divide into one unit, this seems like this has the potential to be that unit. Also will this just work on all carriers?

rs232 13y ago

I've been trying to contribute for over a day now, and I only get the message "We can't process your payment right now, so please try again later. We're sorry for the inconvenience." In the meantime, the price is rising... Grr.