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As I explained, indeed it is not the risk of an attack, it is the (biological) value of women that led to this culture of protecting them. Men are much more exp

by Tichy 13y ago

As I explained, indeed it is not the risk of an attack, it is the (biological) value of women that led to this culture of protecting them. Men are much more expendable than women - number of women available is the main limiting factor in creating more humans. Of course I fear for the life of my friends, but only men are expected to risk their life to protect the life of women. It's kind of funny that feminists (or genderists? Or what?) envy men for that "privilege". Yes clearly I am not the target group for that song, which seems to be about people where friends don't fear for their male friends. Or what is it's point? I am not "guessing at other people's intentions", I interpret the song which clearly seems to state that only women get offered company for going home. In any case I also feel that "my friends want to make sure I get home safely" as a complaint is firmly in "first world problems" territory.

e12e 13y ago
I very much doubt that the biological value has anything to do with it (as in the "absolute", evolutionary biological value). I think society evolve much too fast for that to be a lingering vestige from when that would actually matter in an evolutionary sense. The complaint isn't about "my friends wanting to make sure I get home safely", it's about "my friends thinking I'm unable to make sane judgements, and take care of myself -- unlike when I was a child and was afforded equal consideration to my male peers".
- Tichy 13y ago
  You doubt that the fact that a woman has to be pregnant for 9 months to have a baby (risking her life, too) whereas a man just needs to spill sperm for 10 seconds has any impact on society today? Well you only see what you want to see, is all I can say to that... As for the complaint about caring friends, that seems to be all in the interpretation and is one good example of why I reject feminism: it seems to be all about negative thinking and feeling like a victim. You COULD think "hey it's nice that my friends worry about me" but instead you think "ugh, my friends think I am helpless and irresponsible". That's just a negative, miserable, useless attitude, sorry.
  - e12e 13y ago
    I didn't say I didn't think it had any impact on society. I said I doubted it had an impact on "it"; "it" being how young adult males and females are perceived in society today with a view to self-reliance and independence.
    - Tichy 13y ago
      Well you kind of turned the issue around - why is offering to go home with somebody a challenge to their self-reliance and independence? I would have thought it is about safety and common sense. In the worst case it gives you one more option (go home with a companion), which would make you effectively more independent?

by Tichy 13y ago

e12e 13y ago

I very much doubt that the biological value has anything to do with it (as in the "absolute", evolutionary biological value). I think society evolve much too fast for that to be a lingering vestige from when that would actually matter in an evolutionary sense. The complaint isn't about "my friends wanting to make sure I get home safely", it's about "my friends thinking I'm unable to make sane judgements, and take care of myself -- unlike when I was a child and was afforded equal consideration to my male peers".

Tichy 13y ago
You doubt that the fact that a woman has to be pregnant for 9 months to have a baby (risking her life, too) whereas a man just needs to spill sperm for 10 seconds has any impact on society today? Well you only see what you want to see, is all I can say to that... As for the complaint about caring friends, that seems to be all in the interpretation and is one good example of why I reject feminism: it seems to be all about negative thinking and feeling like a victim. You COULD think "hey it's nice that my friends worry about me" but instead you think "ugh, my friends think I am helpless and irresponsible". That's just a negative, miserable, useless attitude, sorry.
- e12e 13y ago
  I didn't say I didn't think it had any impact on society. I said I doubted it had an impact on "it"; "it" being how young adult males and females are perceived in society today with a view to self-reliance and independence.
  - Tichy 13y ago
    Well you kind of turned the issue around - why is offering to go home with somebody a challenge to their self-reliance and independence? I would have thought it is about safety and common sense. In the worst case it gives you one more option (go home with a companion), which would make you effectively more independent?