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HN Frontpage ranked using only votes from accounts over a year old
- trickjarrett 18y agoVery fascinating! Not drastically different but shows an interesting difference in voting. Perhaps you'll provide some sort of basic controls for us to tweak our personal homepages along these lines?
- Zak 18y agoWhat would be really cool is a form that took at arbitrary[0] Arc expression as an argument to the sort function. [0] but restricted to a certain set of allowable symbols
- eru 18y agoThe function should also be provable fast.
- stcredzero 18y agoJust time the thing out after so many cycles.
- eru 18y agoYes, but that's not very geeky. More seriously: I'd like to specify only a comparision function.
- pg 18y agoI wanted to see if there had been any visible decrease in quality. Doesn't look like it. There's surprisingly little difference between this and the regular frontpage.
- DanielBMarkham 18y agoI'd be more curious to see the difference on a highly-emotional news day -- election, war, disease -- that kind of thing. Would the old guard stick to tech-related material? Or are they as vulnerable to highly-charged stories as the noobs? In all honesty, there really isn't much going on in the way of external-to-hacking events in the world right now.
- einarvollset 18y agoYou mean like Obama deciding to fight the release of pictures of prisoner abuse by US Forces? or Sri Lanka's government shelling a refugee camp containing rebel fighters despite a no artillery pledge?
- Zev 18y agoWhile both of those stories are important news, the former isn't new, and the latter doesn't (unfortunately?) have much of an appeal to most people in the West (which is where most people in HN are located).
- Semiapies 18y agoImportant general news is not automatically hacker news. This isn't Reddit, and this isn't CNN.com or BBC.co.uk.
- geuis 18y agoI'm not sure why, but my feeling is that I am personally less happy with the content a) being submitted and b) making it to the front page than I was even 6 months ago. Maybe since I'm not a newbie on HN anymore I'm remembering through rose-tinted glasses and yelling at the kids to get off my lawn. The things I care about are programming tips, new software, javascript/python/ruby/etc specific articles, new startup companies. There seems to be a lot less of this kind of content and more general tech news, which I can read at any number of other sites. I don't care about business stories(other than those related to startups) and rumors Techcrunch has started about something. On the plus side, the discussions that happen in Comments are definitely still good. I would be great if there was a way to get easier access to the comments than the ity-bity link we have now.
- sant0sk1 18y agoLove the fact that the current "review our app" submission is notably higher on the "classic" view. These are some of the most interesting/important posts imo, and it appears other "older" HN users feel the same.
- trickjarrett 18y agoI'm a huge supporter of the 'review' posts, it's one of my favorite things to do on here :)
- kbrower 18y agoditto, these posts are the main reason I visit the new section
- ashishk 18y ago+1
- ashishk 18y agooh no! drop in karma =( harsh, but i guess that's fair
- jmtame 18y agoit's not harsh, it's just silly to write a comment of +1 when you already up voted. it's redundancy, and DRY is in the vocab of most coders. you shall learn the efficiency of HN soon enough ;)
- csomar 18y agothat was a though lesson! he won't forget it i think and I already remember some lessons from the HN community :D
- randomwalker 18y ago
- johns 18y agoCan we get an RSS feed for this filter?
- weegee 18y agoas an aside, how many points does a user need to be able to vote an article or coment down? (Interesting that this comment will be voted down by people who have that ability)
- trickjarrett 18y agoI believe it is 50.
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- alexfarran 18y agoIt was 50. Then it went up to 100.
- icey 18y agoYou can only flag an article. I'm not sure what the current threshold is for down-voting a comment; it changes over time. I'm not sure why you believe your comment would get voted down.
- tdonia 18y ago100
- evilneanderthal 18y ago101, actually. At 100 you can't, at 101 you can. I know because I just hit 101 =]
- spkthed 18y agoIt's more than 56 :)
- lucumo 18y agoAnother aside, what karma limits are there overall?
- tokenadult 18y agoDefinitely worth adding the "classic" link to the lists page. http://news.ycombinator.com/lists http://news.ycombinator.com/lists And, yes, as a member of the less-than-one-year-old group, I'm encouraged to see that classic tastes from when I first started lurking here are still reflected in current voting up to the main page.
- quizbiz 18y agoI had no idea that page existed. Would be great if it could be added to the navigation. Please...
- ivank 18y agoIt's at the bottom-left, "Lists"
- mlLK 18y agoI'm definitely off-topic but I think this raises an interesting idea for generating different views of HN's front-page in statistical terms. I think it would be cool to generate a front-page that evaluates according to a simple comparison like, select stories that users have upvoted where karma-accumulated to days-alive is greater than 1. Even more interesting, would be to generate a front-page according to some interval of values [or range of karma].
- thalur 18y agoHow about ranking by how other users who have a similar voting pattern to the current user vote on an article? So, for example, when the page is rendered for user x, each user who has upvoted an article has their vote multiplied by the similarity between their voting pattern and user x's voting pattern before sorting with the current algorithm. Each user then gets a semi-personalised view which, hopefully, is to their taste.
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- jnovek 18y agoIt seems likely to me that this is just because "old timers" are seeing the same data as newbies. How many folks look beyond the first hundred posts, or even the front page for stuff to vote up? It makes sense that accounts older than a year will just slightly reshuffle the top 20 posts or so. EDIT: It would be interesting to see this comparison in an alternate reality where we could downvote articles. I would bet that you would see more variation between newer and older accounts.
- bradgessler 18y agoIt would be interesting if all of the "new" stuff was scoped to showing "new" stuff submitted by other people who have accounts approximately as old as your own (maybe within a month?). This would limit "new" items to your hacker news "start class", which may make the content more relevant.
- SapphireSun 18y agoI'm not so sure about that. It depends on how it is implemented. If the older users see the classic page by default, then you will see much more of a divergence.
- Xichekolas 18y agoWhat would be really interesting is if the submission's current rank (at the time a vote was cast) was recorded with the vote itself. Of course, that would change the entire way votes are recorded (most likely), but it would allow us to see how far past the front page people actually look.
- frosty 18y agoi actually wanted to use HN from RSS reader but so many stories get pushed that it was practically useless. So i created a filter which pushes stories to rss only when they gain 20 votes or more before being pushed out of front-page: http://hackernewsrss.appspot.com/downloadrss http://hackernewsrss.appspot.com/downloadrss it has around 60% less articles. add to ur feed readers if you find it useful.
- TweedHeads 18y agoMost voting systems can be gamed. Interesting to see if this approach will reduce the PR submarines on the front page. Payperpost, astroturfing and mob-voting are the worse diseases of news aggregators.
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- sosuke 18y agoAnyone else happily surprised their vote counts on the "classic" version? :)
- einarvollset 18y agoI wonder what would happen if you did a diff between the two - a front page of only the stuff new people liked..
- wallflower 18y agoI personally like the diversification from pure software hacking to hardware and personal/mind hacking.
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- arjunlall 18y agoIm curious, what percent of user accounts are over a year old vs not? Also, do accounts with higher karma boost up a story more? Im wondering if the reason why the two lists are very similar is that the old users inherently have a high weight (in terms of number of accounts and karma power) on the normal page already.
- kleevr 18y agoAs a simple heuristic, it's an elegant solution. Could the front page 'merit' be more or less ~accurately~ described via continuous function? for (User user : item.up_voters) merit += user.life_span_in_months/12; for (User user : item.down_voters) merit -= user.life_span_in_months/12;
- kleevr 18y agoOr, perhaps you could define 'merit' as continously compounding interest with their average karma density (votes/items). Taking the interest forumula "Pe^(tr)", and substituting might yield something like: P = 1, -1, it is the single up/down vote t = user life span in years r = karma/submissions (karma_density) for (user:item.voters) item.merit += (sign_of_vote)e^((user.life_span/12)(user.karma/user.submissions))
- rythie 18y agoI can vote in 40 days time! not that's it's a big deal I mostly vote on comments not stories.
- sah 18y agoThe differences are hard to notice, but to me the /classic page is subtly better. Things I'm personally interested in ("Fibers & Cooperative Scheduling in Ruby") are mostly voted a couple places higher, and things that bored me ("Steve Blank: Gravity Will be Turned Off") are a few places lower.
- justlearning 18y ago@pg: I understand the need for this. But here's my standing.I have been "loitering" here since the early days. I must have registered with atleast four userids..AND used always mess up my password. Most recent one - even the openid auth - didn't work for a while(it works now!). I created the one I am using now couple of months back only to be treated as an outcast. Is there a way to synch my accounts? (even a forget password feature would be helpful)
- SapphireSun 18y agoI have a feeling that if you open up a way to sync accounts, trolls would find ways to exploit it very quickly. Perhaps it would work if there was not automated, but required an admin to authorize the change. However, I'm pretty sure that unless this is rarely used, they would not want to deal with the number of requests.
- quizbiz 18y agoIt's interesting or me to note the changes in rankings that have occurred over the day while this article just remains leaps and bounds above anything else.
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- triplefox 18y agoIf this view persists, the entire site's direction is going to change because some proportion will upvote only from "classic" and others only from "main."
- volida 18y agopersonally I rarely vote. Maybe other older members act similarly.
- adrianwaj 18y agoYou can view it as bookmarking an item with the upvote button instead.
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- Skeuomorph 18y ago"Konami Code Sites", ranked 6th on current home as I write this, isn't even on the first page in the 'classic' view.
- rapind 18y agoThis is great. Thank you.