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So this is why they wanted to "help us" sort out our inbox? I feel defrauded into believing their motivation. Like suddenly realizing I was given a lift solely
by OoTheNigerian 13y ago
So this is why they wanted to "help us" sort out our inbox? I feel defrauded into believing their motivation.
Like suddenly realizing I was given a lift solely because my presence in the car allowed the driver to enter my estate or place of work.
This is wrong.
- lloeki 13y ago> they wanted to "help us" sort out our inbox? As long as it stays in "promotions" tab, I could care less, as this is where they belong. If that's the case that's actually a smart move to introduce in-maillist ads without polluting the "real" inbox. As soon as they flow out of that bucket, we're entering Twitter's dickbar levels of dorkiness.
- ry0ohki 13y agoI still have to keep all of my inboxes at zero. Every inbox must still be checked in case there is something mis-directed. I go out of my way to unsubscribe from most promotions, so no, even in the promotions box this is not welcome for me.
- imgabe 13y agoYou can disable all the tabs and return to your normal inbox.
- nvr219 13y agoFor now.
- baddox 13y agoWhich is where we currently live, so that's good.
- chimeracoder 13y agoI think people are mad because it seems inevitable that, like all other new Gmail features/UI changes/etc., it will become mandatory within less than a year.
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- jwt 13y agoHow do you do that?
- imgabe 13y agoClick on the + sign next to the tabs. Uncheck everything except "Primary" (which you can't uncheck anyway)
- pgrote 13y agoYou know what's funny? You do that and when you look there are still unread things in there that it pulls from the inbox. Once you dispose of them in the inbox, they do disappear, though.
- mortehu 13y agoThere's actually a number of different inbox layouts available in Settings.
- darklajid 13y agoThat, unfortunately, doesn't seem to work on the Android client (did that for the webapp). I'd give the app a bad rating for becoming more and more crappy, but I have no G+ account, cannot have a G+ account and therefor are unable to participate..
- tiziano88 13y agoIf you are following an inbox zero approach (as I am), then there's not much point in using the sectioned inbox IMO. I guess it might be useful if you receive tons of email and you want to sort of go through it in an ordered manner, but normally I tend to unsubscribe from things I am not interested in, so there are little or no messages in the other sections.
- ry0ohki 13y agoI do inbox zero as implied above and I thought I'd hate the sectioned tabs but I actually love it. Only because I make sure the primary inbox is cleared constantly, but can take my time getting to the social one (where it's very easy to just select all and delete).
- ryandvm 13y agoI'm not sure that your OCD is their problem.
- steveklabnik 13y agoOn the contrary, they take advantage of this kind of behavior to ensure that he sees their ads. It's a problem they created and exacerbate for their own profit. This is the whole point of 'gamification.' Dropping a number back down to zero is a form of this.
- snowpalmer 13y agoTotal # of emails however can be setup to show only your "Primary" inbox. This allows me to check the other tabs much much less often since I'm only motivated to keep the # to 0.
- pivotal 13y agoThis was my reaction to the tabs as well - now I have three inboxes to keep clean instead of one! I disabled them as soon as I could figure out how to.
- sillysaurus 13y agoOne step further: If I'm in the "promotions" tab, then I'm actively looking for deals. So if Google can come up with promotions that interest me, then I'll welcome this new change. It's not like they're spamming our other inboxes. It's just the promotions inbox.
- OoTheNigerian 13y agoThe promotions tab is NOT where you go to actively look for deals. You do that on Groupon. The promotion tab is where you get promotional emails from services that you have OPTED IN to receive emails from. So is it far game if the Viagra emails only appear in the promotion's tab? Google is sending spam (unsolicited emails). That is all there is s to say about it.
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- TheCraiggers 13y agoOne could argue that signing up for a Google service is enough to form a "business relationship" with them. Just like how if you buy a new pair of rocket skis from ACME, you're likely to get promotional email from them featuring sales on anvils.
- Kerrick 13y agoGoogle is not sending spam. If you use IMAP, those never show up. Google is making it appear that there are emails there.
- davidgerard 13y agoThe trouble is they shove a pile of your real mail in there too, unless you go to disable the tab.
- workbench 13y ago> Uses free product from a company thats only profit comes from advertisements and selling user data and yet you're surprised and upset when they use that free product to show you ads… please don't tell me you actually fell for that "Don't be evil" BS
- abenga 13y agoWhat's "evil" about following the exact same business model that you've been following all along? It's not like they sneaked this up on us. It is public knowledge what they do for revenue. They provide you with simple ways to migrate your data off the service if you're displeased with it. You can connect to your inbox via IMAP and read your mail without seeing the ads (unless these new ads will be sent to that inbox, in which case even I would think that's going too far). Is it so hard for people to get that some people actually understand that what Google sells is personalized ads based on what they know about us, and actually consider it a fair trade for the services we receive in return? Not everyone is ignorant about this. We just don't care.
- Kurts 13y agoTwitter ads look like tweets, Facebook ads look like Facebook posts, and of course search ads look like search results, at least in Gmail they have their own designated area. They replace the webclip ads when the "promotions" tab is enabled: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/06/ads-in-gmails-promotions-tab.html http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2013/06/ads-in-gmails-promo...
- mmahemoff 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_advertising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_advertising
- zwily 13y agoSo far, Google hasn't shown ads in search results that look like other search results though. This seems like a shift for them.
- aroch 13y agoWhile they were never exactly the same visually, they show up under the search field, have the same link and text structure...the only difference in the lightly shaded background
- _delirium 13y agoI'm not sure if it's my imagination, but the shading seems to have gotten a lot lighter. It used to be quite clear what was a search ad and what was a result, but now you have to look closely.
- jlarocco 13y agoThere's really no way to know that unless you work for Google. Some of the ads show up with a shaded background, maybe some of them don't?
- mortehu 13y agoThat is basically the original meaning of "don't be evil", or at least the one used in the IPO documents. You would probably know, since it's hard to sell ads like that without telling people.
- harrytuttle 13y agoDid you pay for it? No. Quit complaining, pay for it (Google Apps), or move on.
- csomar 13y agoThere is a difference between a service monetized by Ads, and a service which tries to trick you into clicking on Ads.
- ohwp 13y agoAgreed. I think it's a little naive to think that a free service doesn't have to make money. But! Without users Google won't have a business at all. So they should be careful with disruptive advertisement.
- anExcitedBeast 13y agoI don't think I buy this idea, and I don't think most honest developers would either. People want to know when their users aren't happy with their service, and they especially want to know if they're feeling alienated.
- harrytuttle 13y agoThat is true for most cases, but when shareholders and business come into the picture, the honest developers don't get a look in. It's shut up or don't get paid. If Google lost 25% of its free userbase and converted only 10% of that 25% into Google Apps customers, and left the other 75% with advertising clicks it's a win situation for the business and shareholders. Google is not immune to capitalism or business mantra unfortunately. For reference, as an idealist and a bit of a Marxist, I'm not a fan of this but it's the way it is at the moment.
- jusben1369 13y agoI think this is always a confusion point. Prior to the internet "user" and "customer" were pretty much synonymous. Now they can be entirely different. Users get confused when they miss this critical distinction.
- virtuz 13y agoWhy? It's only in the promotions tab next to all of your opt in ads. What's the difference?
- ChuckMcM 13y ago"This is wrong." If you read their earnings release from yesterday[1], you will see this gem "Average cost-per-click, which includes clicks related to ads served on Google sites and the sites of our Network members, decreased approximately 6% over the second quarter of 2012 and decreased approximately 2% over the first quarter of 2013." If you aren't careful you might think that is a "good thing" Gee it cost them 6% less to get a click? No, that isn't the definition you should use [2] the price they got per click went down. So when you get less per click, well you make it up in volume (which they did with a 23% increase in paid clicks). What that means in simple terms is that the business unit that makes about 10x the revenue of all other Google businesses combined, is showing weakness. And Google is responding as they must, by increasing the opportunity you have to click on ads, as the price per click is a market thing (there are others who are offering ad channels). This is the fundamental around all of the changes Google is putting in place in their properties (keeping you on their SERP, making everything G+, wrapping your experience in IOS around their applications). I don't think the changes you are seeing are "wrong", I think they are inevitable. [1] http://investor.google.com/earnings/2013/Q2_google_earnings.html http://investor.google.com/earnings/2013/Q2_google_earnings.... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_per_click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_per_click
- so_whaaaat 13y agoWho fucking cares. Google sucks now. Gmail sucks now. I am aborting all Gmail related accounts post-haste. I may as well be using AOL. Those stupid tabs, and retarded categories are bullshit. The exact kind of noisy, cluttered, shitty interface I'd expect from any other e-mail service. Fuck them in the ear.
- sev 13y agoThis response made me actually laugh out loud, mostly because of the delivery combined with it's accuracy in alluding to something very important: We often seem to look at an issue from the other's point of view and deem it wrong or okay based on that. Why? Why not look at these situations that affect us directly from our point of view? Sometimes all that matters is you. This is one of those times.