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As a Russian, i support that. He was too stupid to try fighting the system openly, playing on their own field.

by anovikov 13y ago

cseelus 13y ago
Didn't he announce to run for moscow major? As a Russian, maybe you can explain what exactly he did wrong?
- sojorn 13y ago
  Indeed, he did announce that. He had a good chance of winning this election (even with outrageos cheating from the Putin's part (another candidate is just Putin's puppet who uses his mayor's powers to embezzle money from Moscow's budget)). He exposed the ruling party, or, to be more accurate, the "cream of the crop" of this party who, through numerous schemes, suck money from Russia and from taxpayers' money). He was widely regarded as an annoyance to Putin and his friends (all of whom became billionaires). Navalny did nothing wrong and is a real patriot of the country, but unfortunately the Law doesn't work in Russia because Putin directly or indirectly controls it all. This trial is a theater and was only done to deprive Navalny of any future political activities (several weeks ago the very same party passed a law that prohibits convicted people from being elected anywhere). The judge built this trial on top of the words (with no proof) of an executive of this company (who obviously have been forced to slander Navalny and who said during the trial that "I don't remember the exact details, but Navalny is guilty". It became so funny that the prosection had to read to this executive what he has to say during the trial). The judge barred more than 10 witnesses of the defense, and basically didn't allow the defense to present any evidence that implies Navalny's innocence (independent audit reports, for example). Judges who find guilty otherwise innocent opposition members get awarded with appartments and get another luxurious incentives. It wasn't a trial, it was a circus. But hey, even circuses have better and more professional clowns.
demetrius 13y ago
Even if someone is stupid, it is not a valid reason to put them into prison unless he commited a crime. Which Navalny didn’t, obviously.
- qwerz123 13y ago
  Could you tell us why you so sure?
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terabytest 13y ago
Why is fighting openly a bad move? If it's true that the case that got him in jail was fabricated, he's been detained in an unjust way and he doesn't deserve it just because he fought openly. I think he'd actually deserve even more praise for being open about his identity and fighting the system directly.
- quantumpotato_ 13y ago
  I think anovikov is trying to say that it is futile to fight the Russian government openly.
  - wslh 13y ago
    That applies with almost every government, Their power is "infinitely asymmetric". Nowadays the way to gain symmetry is knowing a lot about computer security...
    - anovikov 13y ago
      Not only futile, but people doing so are only reinforcing the government's case (because they show people that at least some of the 'enemies' they are pretending to fight do really exist).
- conductor 13y ago
  I see this in this manner: smart people in Russia know that the government is evil and that it can (and will) abuse its power to ensure they reserve their power and money. They know democracy doesn't work as intended, it's a theater. Contrary to that, people of the western world still believe that they can oppose an abusive government in courts and by voting for another government.
  - guard-of-terra 13y ago
    They aren't exactly smart in the sense that they don't have any plan for government evil. They're not smart in the Paul Graham, problem-solving, bold ideas way. Rather they are cynical and "understanding" in the grumpy old man manner.
mars 13y ago
Dude, wtf? Are u serious? This guy did nothing wrong. He's a journalist and it seems like you don't get the idea of freedom of speech. Maybe it's because of people like you that the Russian government can do whatever it wants.
- Elhana 13y ago
  While he was working as an advisor for Kirov district governer, he supposedly forced contracts with disadvantageus prices on state owned company with a total of 16 mln rur (roughly 500k usd). I didn't read court documents, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did. Fact that he blogged about corruption for a few years doesn't make him innocent, but government probably would never looked into it if he'd keep quiet.
af3 13y ago
Идiотъ
- demetrius 13y ago
  Надѣюсь, что Вы это сказали про А. Новикова, а не Навальнаго... (I hope the remark is about anovikov and not Navalny...)
  - af3 13y ago
    дa.
sesm 13y ago
So, if you personally don't like him, then the government can fabricate whatever case to put him in prison? Seems legit.

As a Russian, i support that. He was too stupid to try fighting the system openly, playing on their own field.

cseelus 13y ago

Didn't he announce to run for moscow major? As a Russian, maybe you can explain what exactly he did wrong?

sojorn 13y ago
Indeed, he did announce that. He had a good chance of winning this election (even with outrageos cheating from the Putin's part (another candidate is just Putin's puppet who uses his mayor's powers to embezzle money from Moscow's budget)). He exposed the ruling party, or, to be more accurate, the "cream of the crop" of this party who, through numerous schemes, suck money from Russia and from taxpayers' money). He was widely regarded as an annoyance to Putin and his friends (all of whom became billionaires). Navalny did nothing wrong and is a real patriot of the country, but unfortunately the Law doesn't work in Russia because Putin directly or indirectly controls it all. This trial is a theater and was only done to deprive Navalny of any future political activities (several weeks ago the very same party passed a law that prohibits convicted people from being elected anywhere). The judge built this trial on top of the words (with no proof) of an executive of this company (who obviously have been forced to slander Navalny and who said during the trial that "I don't remember the exact details, but Navalny is guilty". It became so funny that the prosection had to read to this executive what he has to say during the trial). The judge barred more than 10 witnesses of the defense, and basically didn't allow the defense to present any evidence that implies Navalny's innocence (independent audit reports, for example). Judges who find guilty otherwise innocent opposition members get awarded with appartments and get another luxurious incentives. It wasn't a trial, it was a circus. But hey, even circuses have better and more professional clowns.

demetrius 13y ago

Even if someone is stupid, it is not a valid reason to put them into prison unless he commited a crime. Which Navalny didn’t, obviously.

qwerz123 13y ago
Could you tell us why you so sure?

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terabytest 13y ago

Why is fighting openly a bad move? If it's true that the case that got him in jail was fabricated, he's been detained in an unjust way and he doesn't deserve it just because he fought openly. I think he'd actually deserve even more praise for being open about his identity and fighting the system directly.

quantumpotato_ 13y ago
I think anovikov is trying to say that it is futile to fight the Russian government openly.
- wslh 13y ago
  That applies with almost every government, Their power is "infinitely asymmetric". Nowadays the way to gain symmetry is knowing a lot about computer security...
  - anovikov 13y ago
    Not only futile, but people doing so are only reinforcing the government's case (because they show people that at least some of the 'enemies' they are pretending to fight do really exist).
conductor 13y ago
I see this in this manner: smart people in Russia know that the government is evil and that it can (and will) abuse its power to ensure they reserve their power and money. They know democracy doesn't work as intended, it's a theater. Contrary to that, people of the western world still believe that they can oppose an abusive government in courts and by voting for another government.
- guard-of-terra 13y ago
  They aren't exactly smart in the sense that they don't have any plan for government evil. They're not smart in the Paul Graham, problem-solving, bold ideas way. Rather they are cynical and "understanding" in the grumpy old man manner.

mars 13y ago

Dude, wtf? Are u serious? This guy did nothing wrong. He's a journalist and it seems like you don't get the idea of freedom of speech. Maybe it's because of people like you that the Russian government can do whatever it wants.

Elhana 13y ago
While he was working as an advisor for Kirov district governer, he supposedly forced contracts with disadvantageus prices on state owned company with a total of 16 mln rur (roughly 500k usd). I didn't read court documents, but I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did. Fact that he blogged about corruption for a few years doesn't make him innocent, but government probably would never looked into it if he'd keep quiet.

af3 13y ago

Идiотъ

demetrius 13y ago
Надѣюсь, что Вы это сказали про А. Новикова, а не Навальнаго... (I hope the remark is about anovikov and not Navalny...)
- af3 13y ago
  дa.

sesm 13y ago

So, if you personally don't like him, then the government can fabricate whatever case to put him in prison? Seems legit.