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Just gonna post these two gems I found at a previous thread about Linus (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6050443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=60504

by Ygg2 13y ago

Just gonna post these two gems I found at a previous thread about Linus (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6050443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6050443): http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3977141&cid=44291653 http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3977141&cid=442916... http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3977141&cid=44290909 http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3977141&cid=442909... To me Linus is kinda like Wagner, I do like and enjoy his work, but as a person he is not someone I'd aspire to emulate.

claudius 13y ago
Regarding the last bit, I don’t quite see the point. If I had a wife and she ripped off the sink, put a plastic tub there and called it an improvement, because the metal in the sink could rust, I would be quite clear with her that I think this is a ludicrously stupid idea and she should feel extremely dumb for even thinking of it, her being my wife or not. (Nitpick: Do you mean Richard Wagner or someone called Vagner I’ve never heard of?)
- anthonyb 13y ago
  Pretty sure there's a reason that you don't have a wife, if that's your attitude...
  - mordae 13y ago
    Yeah, also probably a reason why he has life and does not spend most of his free time tiptoeing around an abusive bitch like some many others.
  - scotty79 13y ago
    Funny thing is most wives wouldn't think twice to critcise their husbands in such way is such circumstances.
  - Ygg2 13y ago
    That was low, I don't agree with him, but seriously that ad hominem was disgusting and out of place. I am now poorer for the time wasted replying to your post.
    - anthonyb 13y ago
      O right - my reply is disgusting ad hominem and out of place, but suggesting that you call your wife "ludicrously stupid" and "extremely dumb" is not? Edit: Just saw your reply to the OP: "If she is dimwitted to a point that she doesn't understand even when it's explained, I'd try to find a new wife." Words fail me.
      - Ygg2 13y ago
        I don't know. I can't stand to be with someone that isn't on par with me when it comes to intellect/emotions (and that is not that difficult to achieve). To commit to such a serious relationship with someone that doesn't and can't understand my position seems almost impossible for me. Also the wife in question is a theoretical construct, not an actual human being, that was for purpose of mental experiment made 'extremely dumb'. He isn't saying his or any other wife/parter was dumb, he made a thought experiment to demonstrate his point. Try to not be so obtuse.
- kroger 13y ago
  He means Richard Wagner. His music is fantastic but he was a racist [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner#Racism_and_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner#Racism_and_anti...
- Ygg2 13y ago
  Point is if you are going to be totally honest, that marriage won't work off really well. You need to be honest about some things but some small things you need to overlook (like her snooring, or eating her caked blood, or smoking or etc.). If she did that, I'd definitely say it is a stupid/bad idea because X, Y, Z and move along. She just lacks context/knowledge why it is a stupid idea. If she is dimwitted to a point that she doesn't understand even when it's explained, I'd try to find a new wife. Note: meant Wagner, and it's fixed.
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- djm_ 13y ago
  >she should feel extremely dumb for even thinking of it. I feel sorry for her and you haven't even found her yet.
  - Dylan16807 13y ago
    If you make a ridiculous decision and go all the way to implementation without thinking it through, you objectively should feel extremely dumb about it. That means the feedback loops in your brain are working correctly. I feel sorry for anyone who has a systemic inability to learn impulse control.
    - djm_ 13y ago
      >you objectively should feel extremely dumb about it. Precisely, but that is the for the person themselves to feel and not to be told. If you get off on telling people they are lesser beings than you then there is something intrinsically wrong with your impulse control; it's called learning, and the day the world makes that a shameful thing is the day we all return to the middle ages. N.B, this was specifically related to he/she having to feel dumb for even thinking it. Doing something when you have no expertise in that field is an entirely different kettle of fish. It seems in this case he/she would have been insulted for contemplating the idea inside the boundaries of his/her own mind..
      - Dylan16807 13y ago
        'thinking' was clear hyperbole. Treat it more like 'seriously planning the idea' than 'the idea existed in their mind whatsoever'.
vacri 13y ago
Both of those links have comments that chide Torvalds for not being polite... and then call him names. Such hypocrisy. edit: hrm, that rather seems your point in linking them.
- Ygg2 13y ago
  It's not meant in an ironic sense. I'd agree there are degrees of someone being a dick. There is also the matter of it being done in different context, it's different to be a asshole in public is different that in semi-privacy of a mailing list. Another thing to note, that both commenters didn't go into foreign language swear mode :) and called Linus a devil's cunthead. They pointed out he is behaving as douchebag.
  - vacri 13y ago
    If it's not meant in an ironic sense, then why post the comments? You have people complaining that someone isn't acting professionally... and then not acting professionally. It serves to bolster Torvalds' point, not weaken it. If the response is 'context', then it should also be pointed out that we only ever see the slimmest speck of his emails from the list and we never see them in the context in which they're presented. As someone else in the thread mentioned, we don't see the many messages where he doesn't behave this way; we don't see the actual personality that is seen when working with him.
    - Ygg2 13y ago
      Again acting professionally, isn't their job, they are commenting on thread on Slashdot, not on a Github issue or LK mailing list, which is his implied business (as in things that keeps him busy around the day and that he strives to prefect professionally). It's true we might miss some of the context by not being there, that said, from his previous discussions you can draw a lot of observation that help clarify the current context. Point of the messages was that him acting "unprofessional" will actually cause the same behavior he is trying to avoid by acting "unprofessional".
      - 13y ago

by Ygg2 13y ago

claudius 13y ago

Regarding the last bit, I don’t quite see the point. If I had a wife and she ripped off the sink, put a plastic tub there and called it an improvement, because the metal in the sink could rust, I would be quite clear with her that I think this is a ludicrously stupid idea and she should feel extremely dumb for even thinking of it, her being my wife or not. (Nitpick: Do you mean Richard Wagner or someone called Vagner I’ve never heard of?)

anthonyb 13y ago
Pretty sure there's a reason that you don't have a wife, if that's your attitude...
- mordae 13y ago
  Yeah, also probably a reason why he has life and does not spend most of his free time tiptoeing around an abusive bitch like some many others.
- scotty79 13y ago
  Funny thing is most wives wouldn't think twice to critcise their husbands in such way is such circumstances.
- Ygg2 13y ago
  That was low, I don't agree with him, but seriously that ad hominem was disgusting and out of place. I am now poorer for the time wasted replying to your post.
  - anthonyb 13y ago
    O right - my reply is disgusting ad hominem and out of place, but suggesting that you call your wife "ludicrously stupid" and "extremely dumb" is not? Edit: Just saw your reply to the OP: "If she is dimwitted to a point that she doesn't understand even when it's explained, I'd try to find a new wife." Words fail me.
    - Ygg2 13y ago
      I don't know. I can't stand to be with someone that isn't on par with me when it comes to intellect/emotions (and that is not that difficult to achieve). To commit to such a serious relationship with someone that doesn't and can't understand my position seems almost impossible for me. Also the wife in question is a theoretical construct, not an actual human being, that was for purpose of mental experiment made 'extremely dumb'. He isn't saying his or any other wife/parter was dumb, he made a thought experiment to demonstrate his point. Try to not be so obtuse.
kroger 13y ago
He means Richard Wagner. His music is fantastic but he was a racist [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner#Racism_and_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner#Racism_and_anti...
Ygg2 13y ago
Point is if you are going to be totally honest, that marriage won't work off really well. You need to be honest about some things but some small things you need to overlook (like her snooring, or eating her caked blood, or smoking or etc.). If she did that, I'd definitely say it is a stupid/bad idea because X, Y, Z and move along. She just lacks context/knowledge why it is a stupid idea. If she is dimwitted to a point that she doesn't understand even when it's explained, I'd try to find a new wife. Note: meant Wagner, and it's fixed.
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djm_ 13y ago
>she should feel extremely dumb for even thinking of it. I feel sorry for her and you haven't even found her yet.
- Dylan16807 13y ago
  If you make a ridiculous decision and go all the way to implementation without thinking it through, you objectively should feel extremely dumb about it. That means the feedback loops in your brain are working correctly. I feel sorry for anyone who has a systemic inability to learn impulse control.
  - djm_ 13y ago
    >you objectively should feel extremely dumb about it. Precisely, but that is the for the person themselves to feel and not to be told. If you get off on telling people they are lesser beings than you then there is something intrinsically wrong with your impulse control; it's called learning, and the day the world makes that a shameful thing is the day we all return to the middle ages. N.B, this was specifically related to he/she having to feel dumb for even thinking it. Doing something when you have no expertise in that field is an entirely different kettle of fish. It seems in this case he/she would have been insulted for contemplating the idea inside the boundaries of his/her own mind..
    - Dylan16807 13y ago
      'thinking' was clear hyperbole. Treat it more like 'seriously planning the idea' than 'the idea existed in their mind whatsoever'.

vacri 13y ago

Both of those links have comments that chide Torvalds for not being polite... and then call him names. Such hypocrisy. edit: hrm, that rather seems your point in linking them.

Ygg2 13y ago
It's not meant in an ironic sense. I'd agree there are degrees of someone being a dick. There is also the matter of it being done in different context, it's different to be a asshole in public is different that in semi-privacy of a mailing list. Another thing to note, that both commenters didn't go into foreign language swear mode :) and called Linus a devil's cunthead. They pointed out he is behaving as douchebag.
- vacri 13y ago
  If it's not meant in an ironic sense, then why post the comments? You have people complaining that someone isn't acting professionally... and then not acting professionally. It serves to bolster Torvalds' point, not weaken it. If the response is 'context', then it should also be pointed out that we only ever see the slimmest speck of his emails from the list and we never see them in the context in which they're presented. As someone else in the thread mentioned, we don't see the many messages where he doesn't behave this way; we don't see the actual personality that is seen when working with him.
  - Ygg2 13y ago
    Again acting professionally, isn't their job, they are commenting on thread on Slashdot, not on a Github issue or LK mailing list, which is his implied business (as in things that keeps him busy around the day and that he strives to prefect professionally). It's true we might miss some of the context by not being there, that said, from his previous discussions you can draw a lot of observation that help clarify the current context. Point of the messages was that him acting "unprofessional" will actually cause the same behavior he is trying to avoid by acting "unprofessional".
    - 13y ago