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Probably not for hackers
- gue5t 13y ago"Hacker News" exhibits this pretty badly. Where do you guys suggest to hear about interesting hacks instead of politics and startups?
- unimpressive 13y agohttps://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=%22show+hn%22&start=0 https://www.hnsearch.com/search#request/submissions&q=%22sho... Could be a start.
- trobertson 13y agoHonestly, I would pay for a site that was only hard-core tech articles. Hacker News' guidelines are decent, but are incredibly open. Citing sentence 3 of the guidelines: If you had to reduce [what's on topic] to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. That's a vast, vast pit of 'anything goes'.
- samweinberg 13y agoLobste.rs is pretty much what you're describing here.
- jw_ 13y agolobste.rs seems like what I'm looking for too. I don't suppose you have an invite handy?
- Locke1689 13y agoI would also like one if you ever get more information.
- t0 13y agoSent. Leave your email if you'd like one!
- BlackJack 13y agoI'd appreciate an invite as well. Email in profile. Edit: Thanks!
- cxzp 13y agocould you drop me one please 1wnn6n9@dispostable.com
- davidw 13y agoI'd be interested to try it out. I think this NSA stuff has sent HN on a path over the brink.
- Locke1689 13y agoI agree. I think that PG hoped this would be like the Erlang days but didn't realize that this wasn't a fad, but an entire group of people with an obsession.
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- B-Con 13y agoVery interesting, I'd like one too.
- wldlyinaccurate 13y agoIf you've got any more going, I'd really appreciate one! joseph at the domain in my profile.
- pyvek 13y agoSorry to bother you, but if you have any more left, I'd like to get in as well. Email - me ,,at'' vivek ;;dot:: im
- glogla 13y agoThere seems to be no discussion though, which is the HN's strong point.
- krapp 13y agoDude... go build it and have people pay you.
- jjsz 13y agoThere's http://hackaday.com/ http://hackaday.com/.
- willurd 13y agoI've come to accept that HN is the place I go to satisfy my "intellectual curiosity" and more focused lists are where I go to get my learn on. For example, for JavaScript stuff: * http://reddit.com/r/javascript http://reddit.com/r/javascript (yeah it's on reddit, but it's a great resource) * http://javascriptweekly.com/ http://javascriptweekly.com/ ( https://twitter.com/JavaScriptDaily https://twitter.com/JavaScriptDaily ) * http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/tag/javascript/ http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/tag/javascript/ * http://dailyjs.com/ http://dailyjs.com/ * http://javascriptshow.com/ http://javascriptshow.com/ (been a while since the last episode) * http://javascriptjabber.com/ http://javascriptjabber.com/ (I haven't listened to any episodes yet, but I plan on it soon)
- xenophonf 13y agoGoogle hack-a-day. It's what I read now instead of alt.hackers. Might be too hardware-centric for this crowd, though.
- mjn 13y agoThey tend to be more subject-specific communities. Lambda the Ultimate (http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/ http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/) is good if you care about programming languages, for example.
- readme 13y agoOf course, this used to be called "Startup News" but then PG picked the more general "Hacker News" instead. While not everyone reading and posting on HN is a hacker, the website was founded by one of the world's greatest. So, I think that justifies the title. Still, no matter what you publish, those outside your intended demographic will always read it. If you made a website called "Gangsta News", I'm sure white suburban kids from middle class families would read it.
- detcader 13y agoI'm no experienced software or hardware hacker but I would have to guess that the best way to hear about "interesting hacks" (whatever those are) is to start doing some. Whether it be NERF guns or C, I can only imagine that one would get in tune with the community fastest if you actually have interest in learning the subject rather than just in the novelty of a Neat Trick.
- jw_ 13y agoI've read hackaday.com on and off over the past while and it's generally interesting. More of a hardware bent than software, but still interesting.
- bdcravens 13y ago/r/programming has a lot of the same links that you find on HN of the "hack" variety
- grundprinzip 13y agoAnd less brogramming...
- serf 13y agoAgreed. I thought that immediately when Logdown was being shown off. I feel like 'hacker' is being turned into a market, and that very concept brings about a certain amount of sleaze(marketing). I thought a hacker was someone that made the tools available work for them; not someone that used something tailored to them perfectly..not that a hacker would be against such a thing -- but rarely does the capability of a tool also meet the flexibility requirements of a hacker without further modification.
- obstacle1 13y ago'Hacker' has been a market since personal computing became a thing. How do you think people got parts back in the day? By being marketed to through magazines and user groups.
- detcader 13y agoI think you're misunderstanding what was meant by a "market"; the OP is saying that a consumerist market may be emerging to provide "stuff that a REAL hacker would own", like how ThinkGeek.com et al is the market for geeks.
- serf 13y agoA computer parts company offers (what was was) an exclusive service; computer parts. A blogging platform that heavily reinforces markdown is still a blogging platform. The example given by the guy who replied to you was a good one. ThinkGeek. It's Sharper Image, but with a science spin. They often overcharge, but they do so because of who they market towards,and how they do so (with their form of propaganda) I understand why these markets spring up, it's profitable. People WANT to self-identify as a hacker and thus gravitate to services that say they are spun for that 'kind' of person. I just happen to think that it's sleazy to take advantage of the trend lately to self identify as a hacker.
- HeyLaughingBoy 13y agoLet me see if I get this right: You're saying that it's sleazy to sell people (non-hackers who aspire to be hackers) things and services that they want and are willing to pay for? Is that really what you mean?
- bhauer 13y agoWow. I'm not even sure how to process this. I'll keep it short: I'm all for ranting. I love ranting. But give the guy(s) a break. Just ignore it if it doesn't meet your definition of a tool crafted for hackers.
- efa 13y agoThank you! Man, some people have way too much time on their hands. Stop writing your stupid blog and get some real work done!
- jmcdonald-ut 13y agoI don't know the specifics, but perhaps the company's target market isn't hackers in the true sense of the word. Example: many people are "techies" but when you push their knowledge a bit further most of what they know comes down to trivial knowledge about product specs between two or three devices.
- hardwaresofton 13y agoHey <sup>™</sup> would have gotten you that trademark logo
- dkuntz2 13y agoThe larger issue was that I thought my generator had some flags set that weren't set. But, thanks, I didn't even notice that it wasn't superscripting things in ^().
- GuiA 13y ago"If you quibble about what makes you and what doesn't make you a hacker, you're probably not a hacker"
- dkuntz2 13y agoSure, maybe, but that's tangential from my point. My point was if you're making something that can't be tinkered with it's probably not for hackers. The entire subculture stems from people who tinkered with things, specifically guys making model trains do cool things, like adjust based on what someone sends in from a telephone. I would expect that the minimum that everyone calling themselves a hacker has is an urge to tinker.
- jamesaguilar 13y agoAt the very least, quibbling like this is arguing about definitions, which is a waste of time if the word in question isn't technical.
- lsc 13y ago>"If you quibble about what makes you and what doesn't make you a hacker, you're probably not a hacker" have you ever been to a D&D game? rules lawyering is central to nerd social interactions.
- saraid216 13y ago"Gaming the system".
- diziet 13y agoOctopress, on the other hand, is for hackers.
- dkuntz2 13y agoWell, sure, but I'd think that Jekyll is to a larger extent, because Octopress is just a collection of plugins for Jekyll...
- diziet 13y agoThe combination of Octopress being built on top of Jekyll and the fact that Octopress is much faster/easier to jump into and do things with makes Octopress more hacker friendly in the "get things done" hacking way.
- dkuntz2 13y agoHave you looked at vanilla Jekyll recently? There have been a whole lot of changes. Sure, when you type `jekyll new x` you don't get as much, but it still gives you a very acceptable starting point. I realize that my first sentence may come across as harsh, but I mean it in a 'look, this is cool' way, and not an incredulous way.
- ronaldsvilcins 13y ago100% Agreed.
- fergal 13y agoProbably wouldn't have down well in the media if Obama correctly said "I'm not going to scramble drones to catch a 29 year old cracker".
- fsqcds 13y agoLooks like stupid paid prose.io clone.
- alan_cx 13y agoI'm confused. As I understand it, HN is a news forum associated with ycombinator, which I understand is all about startups, VCs, and business building. "Hacking" has little to do with that at all, except the programmers who make the bones of these internet businesses may well consider themselves "Hackers". But what about the rest of the team? Sales, marketing, accounts, admin etc. None of them are considered hackers. But even then I don't quite get it. Such programmers "create" primarily. They are not hacking, unless they want to admit to using other's work and hacking it to re-purpose it (which I have no problem with). But they aren't really hacking as such at all. They are building and creating. Having read the definition of a "hacker", Im even more confused. To me, hacking is not about intimate knowledge, depth, deep interest, or even computer systems. Hacking to me is about knowing enough about something to fix or re-tasking it, even create something new from it. In the case of a media or Hollywood hacker, such a person is not a deep in-depth knowledge person, they are some one who knows the part of the system well enough to attack. That does not mean they know the whole system. Tech wise, I think of something like installing Linux on a PSP, or non IT, the way people in the third world use everything and anything to keep cars going. You don't need in depth knowledge at all. You just need enough knowledge to get the part fixed, or shoe horned in. The modification and re-tasking of open source software is also hacking. Or even something like scrapheap challenge is hacking. Surely all this comes from writing, where a poor journalist or writer is known as a "hack". Not suggesting my definition is universal, its just how I personally see it. Then, as per the article's 3 bullet points, I dont see how providing flexibility is servicing hackers. All that is doing providing more flexibility as a part of the service or website. So, using such functions is just using the site as designed and intended. Not hacking. Hacking would be getting round problems with such a site, or using the site for something it wasn't originally intended. Although, such tool provided would allow fixing or re-tasking. I accept a fine line there, but I hope one sees the point. So, to me sites like hackaday and instructables are actual hacking sites, where as this site is a great niche news aggregation site, with a great user base for decent, intelligent discussion, about anything of interest to it's users. HN is certainly not my first point of call for "hacking" at all. Its my first port of call for interesting news and discussion. Cant help thinking that half the problem here is that this YC news site is called "Hacker News". I think that confuses people.
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- gmac 13y agoI disagree. Normal people overwhelmingly (and often annoyingly) want WYSIWYG, so I think relying on Markdown warrants the "for hackers" claim. If they'd said "perfectly addresses every hacker's every need" — that would have been over-reach.