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I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at l

by psbp 13y ago

I switch between iOS and Android, but the Lumia phones do seem attractive to me despite WP. They could have really differentiated in the android market, or at least forced Samsung to make some better hardware choices.

mtgx 13y ago
And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.
- jcarney 13y ago
  I am glad that there's more competition in the marketplace rather than just Apple and Android and that there are companies looking beyond earnings in their next quarter. Apple could have probably made more money over the years by selling Macs with Windows and retiring their own OS. Competition is good, for example see the flat look and concentration on typography that both Android and iOS borrowed from Windows Phone. That's why I don't get all the deriding of Firefox OS and Ubuntu Phone. Android has plenty hardware OEMs behind it.
  - vermontdevil 13y ago
    Exactly. I tell everyone competition benefits us all. I find people railing at iOS or Android or anything else ridiculous. Yet people persist in that. Oh well.
- slantyyz 13y ago
  >> despite the OS For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013? The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008. I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system. I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosystem might matter, but I suspect a normal, non-geek really doesn't need access to hundreds of thousands of apps if their core needs are satisfied.
  - martingordon 13y ago
    The OS doesn't matter; the apps do (at least the few "important" ones). Most notably absent from WP is Instagram, which will be resolved when Hipstamatic launches for the OS.
    - barista 13y ago
      The "Windows Phone lacks apps" meme is getting old very quickly. But then again there is a grain of truth there. Most applications that you use day in and day out are probably already there natively or as a very good clone. The part that might hurt you is when the next hot application comes along it is likely that a native or clone for Windows Phone may not exist right away and you might have to wait for a few weeks to get it. Android also has this problem to some extent. If you are always chasing the new hot apps on your iPhone then you might stick to iPhones a bit longer until app makers warm up to Windows ecosystem.
      - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
        Try being locked to an obscure marketplace region like china, and it's much more painful. Facebook, Skype are all MIA, and you can't change your marketplace even if the software says you can (it just ignores your config options). iPhones sold in china don't have this problem, so they are a safer buy.
        chronic25 13y ago
        Then buy an iPhone.
    - sp332 13y ago
      Don't Fhotoroom http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/fhotoroom/acad1eed-3149-4b6c-bc4b-8567f409e3e0 http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/fhotoroom/acad1e... or Metrogram http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/metrogram/5dec28da-2857-4b28-95fc-d436ed50f7da http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/metrogram/5dec28... let you share photos on Instagram already? Disclaimer: I've never used them.
- danmaz74 13y ago
  I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. Having a differentiation that you can't protect at all is not worth having many less apps to offer.
  - untog 13y ago
    I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. They can, but they don't. And Nokia is indisputably the king of Windows Phone world, even though HTC have created some perfectly great devices. It's unlikely that Nokia could ever topple Samsung from the Android top spot.
    - danmaz74 13y ago
      You can be sure that they will, if WP will get traction thanks to Nokia.
      - untog 13y ago
        There's a huge first-mover advantage in that, though. As I said- like with Samsung and Android. They're going to be incredibly difficult to shift now.
        danmaz74 13y ago
        Samsung wasn't the first mover for Android (HTC was the one), while Samsung was among the first movers with WP - the other ones were HTC, Dell, and LG. Nokia wasn't among them. So much for the first-mover advantage...
      - mtgx 13y ago
        How is WP compelling at all for other OEM's when Nokia has 80 percent of WP's market share? That's much worse than Samsung with 30 percent in the Android market. I wouldn't even consider it worth my time, especially when besides the extremely dominant market share of Nokia within WP market, it also means very few devices per total being sold. the numbers just aren't compelling at all for others. Plus, you have a lot harder time differentiating, too.
epsylon 13y ago
WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.
- 300bps 13y ago
  I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well. The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH. Hands down, the built-in Lumia 928 maps application is better than any maps application I ever used on any of my three iPhones.
  - ctruzzi 13y ago
    That's the one part I don't like about it but that's because I go 5-15MPH over the speed limit at all times.
    - barista 13y ago
      You can always turn that speed warning off if it bothers you.
      - zimpenfish 13y ago
        They could also not be a dick and stick to the speed limit.
    - tommis 13y ago
      you can adjust the limit at which point it alerts you. You can set when the alert will go off area that have below 80km/h speed and those with speed over 80km/h. Mine is set to ping on 15km/h+ on the slower areas and 18km/h+over on the higher.
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by psbp 13y ago

mtgx 13y ago

And that's the problem with Nokia and their phones. People are buying them for the hardware, despite the OS. They could sell so much more with Android. I'd say they could even beat Samsung in sales eventually (again). But right now I can't even extrapolate how much time it would take them to ever do that, if even possible.

jcarney 13y ago
I am glad that there's more competition in the marketplace rather than just Apple and Android and that there are companies looking beyond earnings in their next quarter. Apple could have probably made more money over the years by selling Macs with Windows and retiring their own OS. Competition is good, for example see the flat look and concentration on typography that both Android and iOS borrowed from Windows Phone. That's why I don't get all the deriding of Firefox OS and Ubuntu Phone. Android has plenty hardware OEMs behind it.
- vermontdevil 13y ago
  Exactly. I tell everyone competition benefits us all. I find people railing at iOS or Android or anything else ridiculous. Yet people persist in that. Oh well.
slantyyz 13y ago
>> despite the OS For a normal user, how much does the OS matter in 2013? The OS playing ground is much more level today than it was in 2008. I'll be upgrading my iPhone 4 soon, and frankly, I'll be considering everything OS out there. I'll actually be choosing based on hardware more than OS, because all the web services that I use are supported by every operating system. I guess if you're really into apps, the ecosystem might matter, but I suspect a normal, non-geek really doesn't need access to hundreds of thousands of apps if their core needs are satisfied.
- martingordon 13y ago
  The OS doesn't matter; the apps do (at least the few "important" ones). Most notably absent from WP is Instagram, which will be resolved when Hipstamatic launches for the OS.
  - barista 13y ago
    The "Windows Phone lacks apps" meme is getting old very quickly. But then again there is a grain of truth there. Most applications that you use day in and day out are probably already there natively or as a very good clone. The part that might hurt you is when the next hot application comes along it is likely that a native or clone for Windows Phone may not exist right away and you might have to wait for a few weeks to get it. Android also has this problem to some extent. If you are always chasing the new hot apps on your iPhone then you might stick to iPhones a bit longer until app makers warm up to Windows ecosystem.
    - seanmcdirmid 13y ago
      Try being locked to an obscure marketplace region like china, and it's much more painful. Facebook, Skype are all MIA, and you can't change your marketplace even if the software says you can (it just ignores your config options). iPhones sold in china don't have this problem, so they are a safer buy.
      - chronic25 13y ago
        Then buy an iPhone.
  - sp332 13y ago
    Don't Fhotoroom http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/fhotoroom/acad1eed-3149-4b6c-bc4b-8567f409e3e0 http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/fhotoroom/acad1e... or Metrogram http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/metrogram/5dec28da-2857-4b28-95fc-d436ed50f7da http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/metrogram/5dec28... let you share photos on Instagram already? Disclaimer: I've never used them.
danmaz74 13y ago
I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. Having a differentiation that you can't protect at all is not worth having many less apps to offer.
- untog 13y ago
  I agree completely, and in my opinion the stated reason not to go with Android - ie "being different" - is moot, when you consider that every phone maker can make windows phones too. They can, but they don't. And Nokia is indisputably the king of Windows Phone world, even though HTC have created some perfectly great devices. It's unlikely that Nokia could ever topple Samsung from the Android top spot.
  - danmaz74 13y ago
    You can be sure that they will, if WP will get traction thanks to Nokia.
    - untog 13y ago
      There's a huge first-mover advantage in that, though. As I said- like with Samsung and Android. They're going to be incredibly difficult to shift now.
      - danmaz74 13y ago
        Samsung wasn't the first mover for Android (HTC was the one), while Samsung was among the first movers with WP - the other ones were HTC, Dell, and LG. Nokia wasn't among them. So much for the first-mover advantage...
    - mtgx 13y ago
      How is WP compelling at all for other OEM's when Nokia has 80 percent of WP's market share? That's much worse than Samsung with 30 percent in the Android market. I wouldn't even consider it worth my time, especially when besides the extremely dominant market share of Nokia within WP market, it also means very few devices per total being sold. the numbers just aren't compelling at all for others. Plus, you have a lot harder time differentiating, too.

epsylon 13y ago

WP, especially WP8 got pretty got reviews. Why the hate ? Especially with Nokia phones where you get Nokia Maps for free. I don't know of any Android phone where you get an offline quality GPS for free.

300bps 13y ago
I went from iOS Google Maps->Apple Maps->iOS Google Maps on my iPhones. The Google Maps worked really well. The HERE Drive+ from Nokia Maps though is fantastic. One nice feature (of many)... it shows you the current speed limit on every road that you're on. It also shows you your current speed and it is dead-on accurate. It can even be set to give an alert if you exceed the speed limit by x MPH. Hands down, the built-in Lumia 928 maps application is better than any maps application I ever used on any of my three iPhones.
- ctruzzi 13y ago
  That's the one part I don't like about it but that's because I go 5-15MPH over the speed limit at all times.
  - barista 13y ago
    You can always turn that speed warning off if it bothers you.
    - zimpenfish 13y ago
      They could also not be a dick and stick to the speed limit.
  - tommis 13y ago
    you can adjust the limit at which point it alerts you. You can set when the alert will go off area that have below 80km/h speed and those with speed over 80km/h. Mine is set to ping on 15km/h+ on the slower areas and 18km/h+over on the higher.
- 13y ago