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I don't understand how anyone in their right minds can consider Windows to be the "biggest walled garden on earth". There is plenty to criticize about Microsof
by bornhuetter 13y ago
I don't understand how anyone in their right minds can consider Windows to be the "biggest walled garden on earth". There is plenty to criticize about Microsoft, but when you descend into completely nonsensical arguments you lose all credibility.
- sbierwagen 13y agoHe's talking more about Windows Phone, the Windows 8 apps, and Xbox.
- bornhuetter 13y agoIs Windows Phone more of a walled garden than than iOS? Is the Xbox more of a walled garden than the Wii U? The argument is still complete hyperbole.
- iaskwhy 13y agoTogether they are.
- bornhuetter 13y agoI'm not sure I understand your point - can you please elaborate?
- AndrewDucker 13y agoWindows Phone is more of a walled garden than Android.
- bornhuetter 13y ago"bigger walled garden than Android" I would agree with.
- jabits 13y agoUm, what was the question?
- ams6110 13y agoMost phone users want walled gardens: it's hard to get lost in one.
- podperson 13y agoThose may be walled gardens, but they're not very big.
- venomsnake 13y agoXBOX commands sizable chunk of a very lucrative market. If we have luck the console industry will implode soon because the current model is unsustainable, but at the moment XBOX is not not very big.
- bryanlarsen 13y agoI don't think the OP was arguing that Windows is currently a walled garden, but is arguing that Windows is moving in that direction.
- bornhuetter 13y agoIf OP had said criticized Microsoft for moving toward being more closed, I would have completely agreed with him (to the extent that it is relevant to the link, which it isn't really). But he said "full steam ahead to the biggest walled garden on earth. We are still the Borg", and so his comment loses all credibility.
- venomsnake 13y agoNumber of time desktop/workstation is used in the memo - 0, number of times PC - 4 , 3 of them about the past. Number of times devices is used 20+, experience - 10+ - microsoft from today officialy desires to be looked as a device/experience company when dealing with end users. That is full steam ahead to appleland for me. And it will be closed and walled future. WP8 and W8 demonstrated the MS attitude good enough. The borg came from the one goal, one vision, one direction etc.
- bornhuetter 13y agoI'm not disagreeing with your general point, I'm just saying that if you cut out the hyperbole and bring your criticism down to a more rational level it would carry a lot more force. "Microsoft is becoming more closed, and that is a bad thing for x,y,z reasons" carries a lot more weight to me than "Microsoft are the worst company in the world, and are literally the Borg". This is not just directed at you, it seems to be a common thing with criticism of Microsoft - so over the top that rational discussion of what they are doing right and wrong gets thrown out the window.
- marcosdumay 13y ago"full steam ahead to the biggest walled garden on earth." Ok, English is not my first language, and that "to" seems a bit ambiguous to me... But in context that was pretty clearly a move toward a walled garden, not a move done by a walled garden.
- venomsnake 13y agoThey are moving in that direction since the W8 store was revealed and they are doubling down right now. All parts of the company will share and contribute to the success of core offerings, like Windows, Windows Phone, Xbox, Surface, Office 365 and our EA offer, Bing, Skype, Dynamics, Azure and our servers. All parts of the company will contribute to activating high-value experiences for our customers. High value experience is euphemism for gatekeeper from what I have seen.
- bornhuetter 13y agoI agree with you that Microsoft is becoming more closed, and that that is a bad thing. However, when you say "full steam ahead to the biggest walled garden on earth. We are still the Borg" it is so over the top that I can't take your comment seriously. Similarly to how I pretty much write off any comment that uses the terms M$ or "Cupertino idiot tax" unless used ironically.
- criley2 13y agoIf people want Microsoft to be "less closed", then they should stop avoiding Microsoft for platforms like Google and Apple, who are whooping Microsoft's ass by being far more closed. Between the anti-open Google+/Play/Hangouts universe and the anti-open iOS iGarden, I'm surprised that it has taken Microsoft this long to catch up to their anti-open competitors.
- venomsnake 13y agoOpenness has nothing to do with abandonment of microsoft. It has all to do with the fact that they could not deliver good mobile device. And still can't. They made errors on every step of the game - allowed carrirs to have saying on the devices, abandoned all lessons learned from PCs and building ecosystems and threw an inferior iOS me too (the UI was better though, the ideology the same)
- criley2 13y agoI trialed a Nokia Lumia 920 with WP8 for a month before settling on a Note II, and I must say that I strongly disagree with your analysis of WP8. It seems very biased and it seems to be ignorant -- as in I don't believe you've actually used the platform as a daily driver for any period of time. No offense, but calling it a "me too" iOS competitor is about as nuanced as calling Android a "me too" iOS competitor -- technically, Android is a "me too" product, just more mature, but it don't serve any useful end to point that out.
- hdra 13y agobecause its cool to hate Microsoft. 'nuff said.