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I don't get this holier than thou attitude. You mean you can't do innovative things in C# that you can do in Ruby? How will LISP help an investment bank? How d
by rwhite 13y ago
I don't get this holier than thou attitude. You mean you can't do innovative things in C# that you can do in Ruby?
How will LISP help an investment bank? How do the millions of CRUD apps in startups written in Ruby, PHP or Python change the world? What about F# being made a first class member of .NET?
An enterprise app in Ruby will be as boring as the one in C#. Its to do with a risk averse attitude instead of adopting the framework of the week. A robotics program written in C# or F# can change the world.
It breaks my heart to see an empty superiority complex at work here.
It's akin to carpenters feeling great about their choice of tools and insulting others choices rather than showing off their allegedly wonderful creations they built with the tools. For example, take StackOverflow, written in .NET and scaling much better than other web apps by using the right tools rather than getting caught up in partisan arguments.
- rbanffy 13y agoExactly where in my message is any specific technology mentioned? This post is about attitude. If young people cannot dream about more than a paycheck we are really doomed. If our young can only focus on what's currently demanded, who will build the tools for the future generations? And why do people feel they need to hide behind throwaway nicknames before they can feel free to debate? Let me be perfectly clear I don't hunt down people who disagree with me. If there's something I avoid, it's yes-men.
- WayneDB 13y agoSo, people can't work for a bank or insurance company and still make a difference? Why subscribe to such black and white thinking? I'd argue that by doing so, you have an even better chance at affecting change than you would trying to do a startup, since startups tend to have a very low rate of success.
- rbanffy 13y ago> So, people can't work for a bank or insurance company and still make a difference? Of course they can, but if your focus is on earning a paycheck, it'll be much harder to make a difference because you may be unwilling to take the necessary risks. If there is one thing I miss from my youth (apart from hair, perfect eyesight and the ability to fall without breaking bones) is my ability to throw everything up and start from scratch. I wouldn't trade that for my family, of course, and that is the whole point.
- WayneDB 13y agoI wouldn't let it break your heart though. You can't expect every single young person to live up to your own unrealized ideals. In any case, this really has nothing to do with Microsoft developers. Using open source tech doesn't automatically make one a great liberator or anything.
- rbanffy 13y ago> You can't expect every single young person to live up to your own unrealized ideals. If a small fraction of the population lived up to my own realized ideals, I'd be very happy already. I also don't remember mentioning Microsoft or open-source on my comment. I was only mentioning the "working for a paycheck" aspiration.
- rwhite 13y agoThis isn't a throwaway account. I am not sure why you accuse me of that and why you're so sure of it. Context is important as you read through the comments. Read your parent post of the post I was replying to. Someone has to do the boring jobs so the world turns.
- rbanffy 13y agoWell... Then, sorry and welcome to HN. user: rwhite created: 1 hour ago
- seanmcdirmid 13y agoInvestment banks use a lot of lisp, Haskell, and Smalltalk I believe. They were also heavy objective C users before that was a common thing.