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Proving the existence of God is as simple as looking around you (nature, sun, water etc) My favourite proof is as follows: - A group of atheists approached to

by ramoq 17y ago

Proving the existence of God is as simple as looking around you (nature, sun, water etc) My favourite proof is as follows: - A group of atheists approached to meet with the ruler of the land and asked him to bring forth his best scholar to debate with them on the existence of god. - The ruler summoned the scholar to meet at location x on date y @ time z. - On that date and time everyone showed up except the scholar. He was late. Very late. - The atheists were now belitting the scholars great status (he didnt' even show up!) - The scholar showed up and the ruler immediately questioned his absence. - He explained that on his way to this meeting he had to cross a river where there is usually a boat. The boat was not there. So he had to wait and wait and wait. Eventually he noticed branches falling from a nearby tree. The branches kept falling and fashioned themselves into a boat and the boat came over to him. So he used to to cross the river. - At this point everyone was quite amused espeically the atheists who replied "you expect us to believe this??" - The scholar replied, "If you can't believe a boat made itself, then how can you believe this world made itself"

mixmax 17y ago
Well, that seems a pretty poor proof. Or rather it's not a proof of anything at all, it's just a silly story.
bena 17y ago
First of all, we do have proof the world exists. We don't have proof your boat-as-metaphor-for-God exists. Secondly, all you have done is restate the "Boeing 747" argument. Which only shows that the person arguing doesn't understand the science behind the other side. Atheists do not believe there is a God because there is no convincing proof that one exists. They believe it in much the same manner you do not believe Santa Claus exists.
DanHulton 17y ago
You have GOT to be joking. That's not a proof, but a parable. Worse, it's an ignorant parable, which can be defeated by: "Then who made God?" (And let me head off at the pass the whole "God was always there" argument. If God was always there, then why can't reality have always been there?)
- jimbokun 17y ago
  "If God was always there, then why can't reality have always been there?" Not to defend the argument you are responding to, but if by "reality" you mean the universe, the Big Bang says that the universe did have a beginning. In which case it makes sense to suppose that something without a beginning is responsible for the thing with a beginning (the universe). I believe Stephen Hawking acknowledges this argument, and talked about whether or not the universe does have a "beginning" in a Brief History of Time, leading into a discussion of a bowl shaped space-time or something, at which point he lost me. :)
joubert 17y ago
OMG.

by ramoq 17y ago

mixmax 17y ago

Well, that seems a pretty poor proof. Or rather it's not a proof of anything at all, it's just a silly story.

bena 17y ago

First of all, we do have proof the world exists. We don't have proof your boat-as-metaphor-for-God exists. Secondly, all you have done is restate the "Boeing 747" argument. Which only shows that the person arguing doesn't understand the science behind the other side. Atheists do not believe there is a God because there is no convincing proof that one exists. They believe it in much the same manner you do not believe Santa Claus exists.

DanHulton 17y ago

You have GOT to be joking. That's not a proof, but a parable. Worse, it's an ignorant parable, which can be defeated by: "Then who made God?" (And let me head off at the pass the whole "God was always there" argument. If God was always there, then why can't reality have always been there?)

jimbokun 17y ago
"If God was always there, then why can't reality have always been there?" Not to defend the argument you are responding to, but if by "reality" you mean the universe, the Big Bang says that the universe did have a beginning. In which case it makes sense to suppose that something without a beginning is responsible for the thing with a beginning (the universe). I believe Stephen Hawking acknowledges this argument, and talked about whether or not the universe does have a "beginning" in a Brief History of Time, leading into a discussion of a bowl shaped space-time or something, at which point he lost me. :)

joubert 17y ago

OMG.