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While it would make me proud if my country granted asylum to Snowden, I'm quite sure that no European politician will dare provoke the wrath of the American Emp

by tszyn 13y ago

While it would make me proud if my country granted asylum to Snowden, I'm quite sure that no European politician will dare provoke the wrath of the American Empire -- there would be no clear benefits but obvious disadvantages.

mbillie1 13y ago
IANAL and I know nothing about the logistics/legality of this, but is it possible to appeal to the EU at large rather than specific nations? Or for a nation receiving such an application to appeal to the EU for validation of its acceptance of that application? It seems like "Germany, with the support of the EU" would be more weighty than "Germany", just as an example.
- haldujai 13y ago
  The EU has been trying to do this for over a decade [1] but it hasn't been fully implemented yet. That said they have implemented a directive [1] on how to handle asylum requests which is a great improvement on the previous system of the lowest standards of any relevant country are applied to all of the requests. [1]http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/index_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asy... I think the issue preventing a common system is state sovereignty. States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. Not that this should be a factor in deciding whether to grant asylum.
  - mbillie1 13y ago
    > States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. And it's tricky, when you might have asylum requests between EU nations. I understand the complexities. It just seems that, even if merely a vocalization (like the US Senate "resolutions"), it could carry some weight to have numerous EU countries vocalize their support for something like this. Although perhaps I am simply naive.
  - ekianjo 13y ago
    > States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties 'like us' ? I don't know who you are referring to when you write 'us' (the HN crowd, maybe) but if you refer to citizens in general it doesn't seem like they care about giving up their rights and liberties that much after all that has been happening progressively since the Patriot Act.
- CyberDroiD 13y ago
  Congrats, you are not a lawyer! Thanks for the info!

by tszyn 13y ago

mbillie1 13y ago

IANAL and I know nothing about the logistics/legality of this, but is it possible to appeal to the EU at large rather than specific nations? Or for a nation receiving such an application to appeal to the EU for validation of its acceptance of that application? It seems like "Germany, with the support of the EU" would be more weighty than "Germany", just as an example.

haldujai 13y ago
The EU has been trying to do this for over a decade [1] but it hasn't been fully implemented yet. That said they have implemented a directive [1] on how to handle asylum requests which is a great improvement on the previous system of the lowest standards of any relevant country are applied to all of the requests. [1]http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/index_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asy... I think the issue preventing a common system is state sovereignty. States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. Not that this should be a factor in deciding whether to grant asylum.
- mbillie1 13y ago
  > States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties, such as the right to deny access to a non-citizen. A common system would force states to accept asylum seekers despite their desires and interests, which could damage foreign relations. And it's tricky, when you might have asylum requests between EU nations. I understand the complexities. It just seems that, even if merely a vocalization (like the US Senate "resolutions"), it could carry some weight to have numerous EU countries vocalize their support for something like this. Although perhaps I am simply naive.
- ekianjo 13y ago
  > States, like us, really dislike giving up their rights and liberties 'like us' ? I don't know who you are referring to when you write 'us' (the HN crowd, maybe) but if you refer to citizens in general it doesn't seem like they care about giving up their rights and liberties that much after all that has been happening progressively since the Patriot Act.
CyberDroiD 13y ago
Congrats, you are not a lawyer! Thanks for the info!