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I'd be curious to know how would U.S. citizens' reactions be if it were the EU spying on U.S. diplomats and citizens. I can only imagine.

by antr 13y ago

mpyne 13y ago
I can only speak for myself, but I'd be pissed that our counter-intel guys didn't detect the bug and that our NSA COMSEC guys didn't employ effective countermeasures. We've assumed people are spying on us as a matter of course, if we've paid attention to world history. The Soviets and Israel especially have had some especially ingenious means to spy on U.S. diplomatic communications.
uvdiv 13y ago
Like this? http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/30/world/us-expanding-its-effort-to-halt-spying-by-allies.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/30/world/us-expanding-its-eff...
adventured 13y ago
US allies do spy on American corporations and the US Government. Israel for example has been caught over and over again spying on the US, and is a big concern for US intelligence agencies. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-sees-israel-tight-mideast-ally-spy-threat http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-sees-israel-tight-mideast-... Countries we're neutral with (not allies per se, not at war with), such as China, routinely spy on the US Government and its corporations; ditto Russia (and that goes back a long ways). And of course China is America's largest trading partner, so we're quite friendly there. Or for example, the UK spying on the Germans: http://rt.com/news/uk-germany-wiretapping-criticism-201/ http://rt.com/news/uk-germany-wiretapping-criticism-201/ I would argue that all the major countries are attempting to spy on all the other major countries. Perhaps none so successfully or belligerently as the US of course.
known 13y ago
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stunning_Hypocrisy_of_the_U.S._Government/26866/0/38/38/Y/M.html http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stunning_Hypocrisy_of_the...
tkahn6 13y ago
... do you think the EU isn't spying on the US? It would be absurdly naive to think they weren't.
- lispm 13y ago
  The EU has no NSA.
  - vidarh 13y ago
    But member states do, although not funded to nearly the same level. E.g. GCHQ in the UK. It'd be surprising if someone revealed to be as trigger happy and willing to spy on allies as GCHQ does not also spy on US interests.
    - lispm 13y ago
      GCHQ has nothing to do with the EU. It is a British institution and works closely together with the NSA.
belorn 13y ago
If the U.S. invited some EU representatives to the Whitehouse, and the representatives was caught planting bugs, then the outcry would be likely very high. Words like terrorist plots would likely be mentioned. And the representatives would end up in jail/death row.

I'd be curious to know how would U.S. citizens' reactions be if it were the EU spying on U.S. diplomats and citizens. I can only imagine.

by antr 13y ago

I'd be curious to know how would U.S. citizens' reactions be if it were the EU spying on U.S. diplomats and citizens. I can only imagine.

mpyne 13y ago

I can only speak for myself, but I'd be pissed that our counter-intel guys didn't detect the bug and that our NSA COMSEC guys didn't employ effective countermeasures. We've assumed people are spying on us as a matter of course, if we've paid attention to world history. The Soviets and Israel especially have had some especially ingenious means to spy on U.S. diplomatic communications.

uvdiv 13y ago

Like this? http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/30/world/us-expanding-its-effort-to-halt-spying-by-allies.html?pagewanted=all http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/30/world/us-expanding-its-eff...

adventured 13y ago

US allies do spy on American corporations and the US Government. Israel for example has been caught over and over again spying on the US, and is a big concern for US intelligence agencies. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-sees-israel-tight-mideast-ally-spy-threat http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-sees-israel-tight-mideast-... Countries we're neutral with (not allies per se, not at war with), such as China, routinely spy on the US Government and its corporations; ditto Russia (and that goes back a long ways). And of course China is America's largest trading partner, so we're quite friendly there. Or for example, the UK spying on the Germans: http://rt.com/news/uk-germany-wiretapping-criticism-201/ http://rt.com/news/uk-germany-wiretapping-criticism-201/ I would argue that all the major countries are attempting to spy on all the other major countries. Perhaps none so successfully or belligerently as the US of course.

known 13y ago

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stunning_Hypocrisy_of_the_U.S._Government/26866/0/38/38/Y/M.html http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stunning_Hypocrisy_of_the...

tkahn6 13y ago

... do you think the EU isn't spying on the US? It would be absurdly naive to think they weren't.

lispm 13y ago
The EU has no NSA.
- vidarh 13y ago
  But member states do, although not funded to nearly the same level. E.g. GCHQ in the UK. It'd be surprising if someone revealed to be as trigger happy and willing to spy on allies as GCHQ does not also spy on US interests.
  - lispm 13y ago
    GCHQ has nothing to do with the EU. It is a British institution and works closely together with the NSA.

belorn 13y ago

If the U.S. invited some EU representatives to the Whitehouse, and the representatives was caught planting bugs, then the outcry would be likely very high. Words like terrorist plots would likely be mentioned. And the representatives would end up in jail/death row.