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FTA: > Are there any places left on earth that actually do respect basic civil liberties? I would really like to know the answer.
by gasull 13y ago
FTA:
> Are there any places left on earth that actually do respect basic civil liberties?
I would really like to know the answer.
- fein 13y agoSwitzerland is the closest thing I can think of, and even that country has some of the same surveillance/privacy issues that spawned most of the current discussions. I don't know if we qualify CCTV as a violation of a civil liberty period, or only if abused.
- Daishiman 13y agoIf you consider the amount of negative foreign influence that some Swiss corporations have across the globe for their, this statement might not that accurate (I'm thinking Glencore and others)
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- drcube 13y agoYou and I are just afraid to face obvious and true answer, which is "no".
- mc32 13y agoThere are places which might not respect civil liberties but which do not surveil (by the state) the population: third world. Is there a place where both are true? I don't think there is a place where there is 100% of both (respect for civil liberties and do not do any surveillance) and also not sure a place free of surveillance would by any better in practice, except in theory (to confuse a Yogiism). As many things, it's a balance which needs to be struck and it remains to be seen where that will be or if it's pendulum-like.
- vinceguidry 13y agoThe problem here is that we inevitably start moving the goal-posts every time we try to nail down the scope of what constitutes a basic human right. Do you want freedom of speech and the press? Many nations can offer that. Do you want the power to piss off prominent and powerful government agencies without serious repercussions? You'd have to move somewhere without prominent and powerful government agencies, because we've yet to figure out a way to effectively limit their power.
- rayiner 13y agoAnd let's face it, you have more power to do that in the U.S. today than pretty much anywhere in the world. Listen to the kinds of things people say about Obama, his mother, etc. How many places could you get away with that?
- maratd 13y agoSince you said places and not nations, well, you do have some options. 1. Antarctica. South Pole. Parts of Siberia and Alaska. Essentially where it's too much trouble to reach you. 2. On a boat. If you got enough money, go cruising for the rest of your life. 3. International Space Station. 4. Jungle. Desert. Mountains. 5. A key rule to remember is that the nail which sticks out is going to get hammered in. Don't stick out and you'll find you have all of the civil liberties you lost. Be smart about it and you can live in the middle of Washington DC and be freer than any man who has ever lived. The notion that somebody has to give you that freedom is bullshit. You have to fight for it. And you have to do it intelligently, but not sticking out. Get my drift?